Chapter Tactics #100: An Exclusive First Look at Top Lists and a Statistical Analysis of the 2019 LVO

Chapter Tactics is a 40k podcast which focuses on promoting better tactical play and situational awareness across all variations of the game. Today Peteypab, InControl, and Abusepuppy review the most common lists, factions, detachments, and units pulled from all the submitted lists at the 2019 Las Vegas Open. Also, to celebrate reaching episode #100 Peteypab is giving away an exclusive Forgeworld model. Details in the podcast.

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Aspiring 40k analyst, tournament reporter and Ultramarines enthusiast, Petey Pab only seeks to gather more knowledge about the game of 40k and share it with as many people as he can in order to unite both hobbyists and gamers. We are, after all, two sides of the same coin.

41 Responses to “Chapter Tactics #100: An Exclusive First Look at Top Lists and a Statistical Analysis of the 2019 LVO”

  1. Kevin Lantz January 29, 2019 12:34 am #

    10$ no other tau player has a list as unique as mine.

    • Charlie A. January 29, 2019 5:11 am #

      I’m excited if you mean “as unique” as “that took as many kroot”.

    • Kevin Lantz January 29, 2019 5:42 am #

      nope, although if I had enough painted.. (working on it btw) I’d be like 40 kroot, 27 sniper drones, and as many firewarriors and breachers as would fit =D

      My list has zero markerlights and zero firewarriors lol.

      • Kevin Lantz January 29, 2019 5:50 am #

        actually forgot I uploaded a list with some markerlight drones… bleh

  2. Nikita January 29, 2019 2:23 am #

    When other lists will be available?

  3. rvd1ofakind January 29, 2019 5:41 am #

    11:02 audio error
    “and even with the dense terrain…” x2

    • rvd1ofakind January 29, 2019 6:03 am #

      32:18 another
      “utilise and…” x2

    • Petey Pab
      Petey Pab January 29, 2019 10:18 am #

      Fixed both, thanks for the heads up! I’m still not sure about what is causing those little glitches. It may just be a connection thing.

      • rvd1ofakind January 29, 2019 10:24 am #

        They were present 10+ episodes ago and came back in #99

  4. Joe Beddoe January 29, 2019 1:41 pm #

    Hey Geoff, for making fun of Texans you are cordially invited to let’s keep it civil, people. -Ed

    • Joe Beddoe January 29, 2019 7:14 pm #

      Can you please pass along to Geoff that his comments and mockery were insulting and exhibited a lack of civility, then?

      • iNcontroL January 29, 2019 7:31 pm #

        Hey Pawtna! Ya’ll got ur message received in my hear ear holes and I gotta spit sumtin fierce back atcha. I ain’t got no time for no man who gits all red faced and pissy when anutter man says words in one of dem dere silly voices. If it gotcha stirrups in a bundle.. well I reckon you got a saddle wedged in a place it ain’t meant to be.

        • Ujayim January 29, 2019 8:00 pm #

          Yeethonk Kkona

        • Joe Beddoe January 29, 2019 8:07 pm #

          You know, as someone that is a voice of FLG (who wants nothing more than to further their partnership with GW), someone featured on their site, and a supposed ambassador for the hobby I expected better. Being insulting and condescending will not help the brand nor expand the hobby base. But hey, obviously you know best!

          • Ujayim January 29, 2019 8:36 pm
            #

            Being unironically upset about silly accents and impressions about teasing an entire generic area is the most pants-snowflake thing I’ve read all day, and that’s with me reading a lot of Reddit.

            The guys, regularly, in every podcast joke and tease:

            Canadians, Australians, Abusepuppy in general, etc. All of those jokes: totally fine.

            But by gummit, if you tease the lone stars they sure are sad boyz

          • iNcontroL January 29, 2019 8:48 pm
            #

            Yeah the guys are kinda already saying it but mate, if you think me teasing generic texan accents is hurting the game or is somehow going to drive people away from our lovely hobby I dunno what to tell you.

            Please be careful next time you listen to our podcast I sometimes even tease the english and they literally created this game so I may very well destroy the game entirely.

          • abusepuppy January 29, 2019 10:37 pm
            #

            Geoff and I do voices all the time; this is hardly the first occurrence. If Geoff had been playing into traditional stereotypes about the region, maybe you might’ve had a point… but I am pretty sure “plays Warhammer a certain way” is not a well-known stereotype of the Deep South, and nothing he said was actually derogatory.

          • Petey Pab
            Petey Pab January 30, 2019 10:25 am
            #

            Hey Joe, you might want to find a different hill to stand on. I think you could get a lot more meaningful outcomes out of issues with more substance.

            For example, did you know vaccines cause autism? Or, that Tau players are still being institutionally persecuted everyday by community leaders and even GW themselves?

          • Kevin Lantz January 30, 2019 12:48 pm
            #

            He has a point, the accent was inappropriately Texan… It wasore west the/Appalachian with a drop in iq.

            I think the problem, and I agree with it was saying in a dumb hick drawl “I am from Texas and we think this…” If he had left a region out it would of been way funnier to me as someone who grew up in Texas.

            Since he inadvertently said I was a dumb hick, I hate him……….,……,………………………………….

        • Kevin Lantz January 29, 2019 8:22 pm #

          Doubling down on it…

          Bold move Cotton, let’s see if it pays off…

        • zigzagzen January 30, 2019 4:29 pm #

          The above should be read in a Sean Connery voice

  5. JimV January 29, 2019 8:26 pm #

    You need to lighten up. It was classic Geoff.

  6. sean nayden January 30, 2019 6:38 am #

    I have not listened to an episode in a while, was a good one. I liked the info dump on statistics at the end the best might listen to that part again.

    The list breakdown section was rather humorous as well as instead of taking random lists generic to the factions Pablo picked specific players lists and I could recognize almost all of them. Loved his attempt to say that the ork list was the most common representation of orks when he could have broken down the other ork list he mentioned and said that truthfully.

    Begs the moral question as to what disadvantage you put these players by broadcasting their lists ahead of any other lists released from the event. Not that I particularly care, as my list is posted publicly anyway. And its not like many people can change their list.

    • John Lennon
      jifel January 30, 2019 7:32 am #

      My list was one of the one’s covered, I actually got a pm asking if they could talk about it first. It might indeed be a disadvantage, but I figure the chances of it actually impacting a game outcome are pretty low. If people are prepping for my list out of the 750 people there, I won’t even be mad.

      • Ujayim January 30, 2019 8:53 am #

        An important perspective that’s necessary before passing judgment.

        • sean nayden January 30, 2019 10:51 am #

          jifel thats great to hear. I know that several of the other players were not granted the same reach. As I told them upon listening to the episode that their list had been talked about and we had a good laugh about it. And they intimated that they had only learned of that fact through that correspondence or other hearsay from others.

          As abuse puppy says the caliber of players whose lists are being discussed here dont likely care. Im just discussing the optics of the discussion when the lists werent even finished being checked for formatting yet at the time of this episode I know that several of the lists discussed were in fact not passed by the software submission so technically could have needed changing or adjusting.

          And if you in fact were warned and asked, and some others were not then that is in fact an issue.

          Now thats completely different if the lists are in fact published beforehand. But for example if abusepuppy who is playing in the event is given a advanced look at lists before other players that is a bad optic.

          Knowledge in any form is power. I think pre submission of lists and pre publication helps the game become more competitive. It gives people the time to break down themes and lists in general and begin the mental prep for the event. This speeds up cognitive performance at the table as you have already begun the process of breaking down an opponent in advance. At an event the morning game day two when you know who you are playing and can spend the night before going over the match and picking your secondaries and such is a powerful tool. Imagine being able to do prep work on that kind of level on your flight or travel to an event using not only your own brain but also the help of your warhammer buddies.

          Basically people have been given the information and info against these 8 players.

          But maybe im overthinking it. I posted my list publicly anyway before this but most people dont look to me for an example of sanity.

          • Petey Pab
            Petey Pab January 30, 2019 11:23 am
            #

            I think you’re over thinking it. Most of the lists we mentioned aren’t exactly out of left field or revolutionizing the meta. The ones that are different and unique that we mentioned shouldn’t be tailored against anyways, because you have such a small chance of actually encountering the list.

            Also, I did my best to leave out specific tricks and strategies to specific lists and tried to keep the analysis broad. While also not focusing on any one list for too long. I think this would be a real complaint if we spent an entire episode talking about how to beat a single person’s list.

            Also, to clear some things up. The only people who have access to all the lists are people not playing in the event. AP does not have access to the database of lists, and will not until they are publicly released.

            Jifel was asked separately, and honestly that was the first I had heard of him being asked. I apologize to anyone who feels wronged by that, and everyone knows how to reach me if they want to voice their own concerns.

          • Yakhunter January 30, 2019 3:07 pm
            #

            Hey Sean, Peter here. I was provided the lists in advance to get a head start on data analysis for the event. I’m also the guy who selected the lists for Pablo and the crew to go over for the show.

            Firstly, I take full responsibility for only asking John’s permission to submit his list. As a probably poor excuse, the reason why I did was because it was one of the first I selected after being given the task, I talk to him regularly about the game, and it was a unique enough list but also one that many people witnessed on the charityhammer stream and so would be obvious regardless of anonymity. In retrospect I fully should have just messaged everyone I could, though I know none of the other players I selected the lists from from Adam. I tried to pick lists that had already been made public via social media (like the Deathwatch list and the Drukhari lists that were not discussed), were lists we had already discussed on previous episodes of Chapter Tactics and I had felt were not given their due diligence (not that Pablo wants to give that ork list its due anyway apparently) or had elements that represented enough of that faction’s meta that it was legitimately something your average player has a good chance to see at the event. I did make an exception for the Tau list because it was so unique and we had talked the 2-3 riptide/broadside + Shadowsun list to death.

            Anyway, not that it matters as that ship has sailed, but I do apologize if this somehow gave someone a feels bad moment, that was never the intent, for me it was about highlighting some of the best the hobby currently has to offer.

    • abusepuppy January 30, 2019 7:48 am #

      Since lists are fixed at this point for most people, I don’t see it as causing a big issue (and also we avoided using names, partly for that reason.) While I don’t doubt some players will be able to recognize specific personalities and their lists there if they try, I think the caliber of player who can do that are the kind who also don’t need/want to try and list-tailor in that fashion, since they know it isn’t going to help them.

    • Petey Pab
      Petey Pab January 30, 2019 10:33 am #

      Hey Sean, thanks for listening!

      I would like to point out that I was not the one who chose the lists, though I certainly did leave a few out that we didn’t have time for. I didn’t mention names, and I thought it would be cooler to see actual list representations of specific archetypes instead of “The Castellan list is Guardsmen plus a House Raven Castellan!”.

      The “other Ork list” I mentioned was actually just a generic Ork list that I made up in my head. There were no actual other Ork lists in the show notes. Also, after a nice little chat with the owner of the Ork list mentioned in the show we came to a happy medium.

      I understand the aspects that set his ork list apart from others. It has a lot more CP than your average list (for shenanigans), and sacrifices lootas for more dakka in other units. It also has an interesting Big Mek suite, instead of the usual gazillion weirdboyz you normally see.

      However. I think your average LVO attendant who is unfamiliar with the codex is going to look at that list and think, “Yep! Those are lootas, and that’s an Ork list!” A pitfall i’m pretty sure the player wants his opponent to fall into.

      When I think unique Ork list, I guess I draw the line not at this list, but at the 20 meganobz list that went 7-1 at Cancon. Which I think is truly a unique list.

  7. BK January 30, 2019 10:34 am #

    I’ll be interested to see how that T’au army fares! Riptides, broadsides and drones for days is not my cup of tea personally from an entertainment point of view.

  8. Paul Winters January 30, 2019 12:39 pm #

    Are the LVO list stats available anywhere? Or is it still secret squirrel until the event?

    • Reecius
      Reecius January 30, 2019 12:55 pm #

      We’re keeping it under our hat until after we publish the lists.

  9. Cody Irons January 31, 2019 8:29 am #

    Hi guys, I hear you guys talking tyranids winning CanCon but all i see on the bcp site is this:

    https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/r/pxu4vaw3

    is this not the right tournament? This has sisters of battle all over the place.

    • Petey Pab
      Petey Pab January 31, 2019 10:33 am #

      Hello Cody!

      Adepta Sororitas is the first faction in line on the BCP app when you register. It was just an error in choosing factions, and if you look at the lists either through downunderpairings.com or via a BCP app subscription you can see what the players were actually running.

      • Cody Irons February 2, 2019 2:36 pm #

        Thanks Petey Pab, i did some digging and saw the same explanation on facebook, sorry for double post below, my comment didn’t show up and though i did something wrong.

  10. Cody Irons January 31, 2019 8:35 am #

    Hi guys, you are saying tyranids won at cancon but when i look at bestcoastparings site it is showing sisters won, what is up with that?

  11. Alpharius Walks January 31, 2019 11:44 am #

    Regarding the amount of time that Orks can take, is there any reason someone who wants to compete seriously would not be bringing a chess clock? I dislike using them but with functionally not knowing anyone I will play at the LVO I definitely be using a physical chess clock each round to avoid scenarios like that.

    After investing the money/time in buying and painting a 40k army and then travelling to the LVO it seems silly not to spend $20 on a functional chess clock.

    Part of the reluctance on Yarrick may just be that heavy IG lists should have enough screening and small arms fire to not fear Orks. So why would you pay +50 pts. over Harker (assuming Catachan as Cadia already has the doctrine) to improve a not particularly common matchup that you already have a strong advantage in?

    • Reecius
      Reecius February 1, 2019 7:51 am #

      Yeah, plus you’ll have it forever after that, it’s a one time investment.

  12. Casey Schmitz January 31, 2019 9:53 pm #

    I was listening to this interested in the Death Guard meta. Nothing was said about them at all until the final minutes when it was said that they are 56 DG players? LOL I’m not a math guy but that sounds more popular than 8% but you talked about Orks a ton.

    • WestRider February 1, 2019 2:41 am #

      56 DG lists is about 7% of the field of ~800 players, so yeah, there actually are more Ork lists if they’re 8%.

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