Chapter Tactics #178: What The New Codices Mean for the Future of 9th

Today Peteypab, Brandon, Skari, and James talk break down what they like about the Space Marine and Necron Codex. They also speculate about the future of the meta, and how the 9th edition codex formula helps other 40k factions who need it.

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Aspiring 40k analyst, tournament reporter and Ultramarines enthusiast, Petey Pab only seeks to gather more knowledge about the game of 40k and share it with as many people as he can in order to unite both hobbyists and gamers. We are, after all, two sides of the same coin.

12 Responses to “Chapter Tactics #178: What The New Codices Mean for the Future of 9th”

  1. Bob October 6, 2020 5:32 pm #

    It was hilarious listening to Pablo do damage control and try his best to shut up any dissenting opinions in this episode.

    • Petey Pab October 7, 2020 9:31 am #

      I literally agreed with him and didn’t edit out his “dissenting opinion”. Maybe it is something I don’t have as strong of an opinion on.

  2. Kevin October 6, 2020 6:06 pm #

    Here’s to another year of everyone playing nothing but Space Marines!

    • Pyrothem October 7, 2020 7:34 am #

      I like how at the beginning they said the Necron Codex is really good but when asked what to look out for at LVO(if it happens) not a peep about Necrons.

      Feel like the Who is appropriate for this “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

      • Petey Pab October 7, 2020 9:32 am #

        That’s a fair point, and to be clear. Space Marines are the only shoe-in. We didn’t mention with confidence any other faction either. We just don’t know what direction the meta is going to go in. With the exception of Space Marines.

        • Pyrothem October 7, 2020 3:46 pm #

          That is kind of what the community as a whole feared.

          Necrons got a rewrite that lets them play completely different lists. They are complicated and take a lot of skill and game mastery to pull off successfully.

          That said the Marine Dex is far above it in power of rules and units. Like James said we will most likely not see any fix till next year in spring or longer.

          For the past 3 years the Top players of 40k would not touch Necrons unless it was a joke game and I see their comments are more or less the same. “Necrons have some cool tools but Marines have more for less”.

          Most of this is speculation as the games can not be played in volume but the math is starting to become as clear as last years Iron Hands lists.

          The Frustration that James is expressing is felt by a lot of people including pure Space Marine players as it is not fun to win knowing you have the mathematical advantage. In my group it has been decided to to allow the SP secondary as it is a clear unfair advantage.

          I had hopped that GW would get there competitive act together as they had crusade to through unbalanced things at but is seem ITC will once again have to step again.

  3. Pyrothem October 6, 2020 8:40 pm #

    Damn it James the blunt words for GW made me miss Geoff today and laugh out loud at what he would have said in the unique wordsmith way he could sling the trash talk. 😀

    • Petey Pab October 7, 2020 9:33 am #

      James and Geoff were very close friends as well in person, they were even on the same team together. Having James on the last couple of episodes made me miss Geoff too and I love that James brings that same style to an episode.

  4. Zweischneid October 7, 2020 11:26 am #

    Petey Pab: I love how they add more keywords to make things more granular.

    Petey Pab: Awesome how the Silent King / C’tan benefit from Command Protocol X (spoiler: they don’t, because of a fun keyword).

    Sorry to use you as an example, but I think it summarizes the problem. So many different subtle keywords that limit and dictate abilities becomes very confusion fast as more Codexes arrive. I’ll bet it’ll be played wrong alot, similar to how people will play Core wrong with Marines, or already use Miracle Dice on Mortifiers or some such, despite lacking the keywords, etc..

    The idea is nice, but keeping track of all the layers that abilities apply to (or don’t apply to) is getting pretty cumbersome very quickly already.

    • Petey Pab October 7, 2020 1:04 pm #

      The Silent King has the command protocols rule and does benefit from them.

      I was just incorrect about the C’Tan because I missed the fact they didn’t have the Command Protocol rule in their datasheet.

      I still think more specific universal keywords across multiple factions (which are the kinds of keywords I was actually talking about) will help the edition in the long run. Like Aura.

      • Jace October 7, 2020 2:40 pm #

        Totally agree with this, reminded me of a discussion you had months ago where universal special rules were mentioned.

        Same idea, one word to denote common rules (e.g deep strike) just has a lot of positives.

        Same rule with different flavour text is the best way to balance stuff I think

  5. Jace October 7, 2020 2:43 pm #

    I’ve never thought about how obvious it would be to do FAQ/ rules changed through pdfs.
    I get it will never happen for free as rules are easy money, but what would be the problem with changing Tau melts for example with a PDF now?
    It’s still reliant on having a codex to use and gets taken down when a product containing for same is released

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