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17 Responses to “New Space Marines up for Pre-Order!”

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    ghostvalley August 10, 2019 10:07 am #

    Drop pods turn 1 is exciting. Maybe they won’t just be expensive scenery anymore.

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      Reecius August 10, 2019 10:09 am #

      It’s very strong.

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      abusepuppy August 10, 2019 8:18 pm #

      I am very excited to be walled into my deployment zone on turn 1 by the dude who brought eight Drop Pods with nothing inside them. That sounds like a fun idea with good times.

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        JimV August 10, 2019 9:14 pm #

        Doors open or closed tho 🙂

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          abusepuppy August 10, 2019 10:38 pm #

          I mean, doors open is literally RAW. I know Frontline overrules that, but I’m not expecting every tournament to, and even with doors up it’s not gonna be hard to have 2-4 Pods placed in strategic positions just completely close off a section of the battlefield in combination with other terrain.

          Basically, I’m just salty because Space Marines have to get ~*~special exceptions for Very Special Boys~*~ overrulings for everything in the game, time after time. And also them getting a complete rewrite with a six-part wave release while other factions are still staring at their 2Ed models and wondering what the fuck is up.

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            ghostvalley August 11, 2019 4:51 am

            I remember when the orktober marketing began, I was talking to my local GW manager about if he was getting excited about all the new orks he was going to be selling – and he was not.

            He said basically that not only were space Marines his number 1 seller but they sold more than the entire AoS range in his store. He also said that the stuff that the Internet got worked up or excited about wasn’t a huge factor sale wise.

            This is one of the better performing stores and while it could be a local anomaly, I think it would be safe to assume that Space Marines are the companies #1 selling faction.

            So while I understand other factions frustrations at having 20 year old models, GW is not very likely to alter their course any time soon.

            Also there is a distortion with how the game can be and is played at the highest competitive levels and how the majority of players play the game – meaning world wide, the scourge of people putting 9 empty drop pods in lists across basements and Local Gaming Stores is unlikely to be issue

            Whereas in the competitive scene i can only hope that we haven’t seen the whole picture and that they will continue to react to problems quickly through FAQ and Chapter Approved etc.

            Guy who was excited to put his two 5 man devastator squads in his one painted drop pod.

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            abusepuppy August 11, 2019 10:42 am

            I mean, yeah, I get it, Space Marines sell, but one has to ask _why_ they sell. It’s the perennial question- does GW put all their attention on Marines because they sell so well, or do they sell so well because GW focuses all their attention on them? I don’t think it’s quite that black and white, as the two probably feed back into each other, but I think there’s good evidence that if they spend time and effort on other factions, those results can pay off. When they’ve done big splash releases (e.g. Necrons and DE in 5th Edition, GSC in 7th, etc) for other xenos factions those have sold _extremely_ well, and I think GW underestimates the degree to which this is the case- and also that they unintentionally sabotage their own chances at selling more non-Marines by a lot of their design philosophies.

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            ghostvalley August 11, 2019 3:34 pm

            AP: fair points all around.

            They do seem not willing to risk it.

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            Pyrothem August 11, 2019 5:10 pm

            When done correctly like the GSC releases (aka have a rules team that gives a damn and great models) it turns into mega sales. My LFG said they eclipsed SM sales for months. Then Chaos took over for a bit.

            I think yes vanilla marines have the largest pool of players (and largest pool of models….) but I think they should be able to sprinkle models in for armies stuck in Finecrap. Hell with all the other games they are shoving out there seems to me a new PLASTIC model every week of some kind for 2 years straight means they could throw some of the other armies a bone!

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            abusepuppy August 11, 2019 7:56 pm

            Yeah. My problem is not “Marines get more models than other factions,” because that’s fairly unsurprising; the problem is that it is fairly often the case that Marines not only get a glut of models but do so _even when no one else gets any models_. Of the 8E releases, I believe only Orks and GSC have gotten anything at all, with just about every other faction sitting dead in the water. Marines have seen more kits in the last month than Eldar have seen since… now and 5th edition? That’s absolutely bonkers.

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    Blue August 11, 2019 3:36 am #

    Usually the Marines release is a precursor for things to come, obviously Games Workshop wants to sell their favorite, most popular army and add lots of bells and whistles for the first few weeks and then they will nerf some things, but the ground work is laid. Hoping that Chaos will finally get a look to make them more competitive than their single power build w some minor variations. You literally have half the universe cut off at this point by the warp, stands to reason that Chaos would be coming back even more powerful!

    I too sit and stare at all my elves armies and wonder when we will see some new aspect warriors, some decent named characters for DE and maybe give Harlequins the same treatment as GSC…… good to dream

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      Zweischneid August 11, 2019 4:39 am #

      “Single power build with minor variations”

      What are you smoking.

      Chaos has been winning with Plaguebearers and Smite, Plaguebearers and Blightlords, Discolords and Mortarion, Discolords and Tzaangors, Discolords and Cultists, Discolords and FW Dreads, FW Dreads and Plaguebearers, FW Dreads and Heldrakes,.Slaughterfest had Cultists, Abaddon and Oblits and Khorne Daemons on the top table. Mono TS had GT wins a month or two back. Etc..

      Aside from Ahriman being in all of them (except maybe some underperforming Don Hoosen trial-lists, hurray), they couldnt be more diverse.

      Most broken power-lists in 40K 8th Edition like 3++ Castellans or double-spear Ynnari (or all the previous “40K on easy mode” stuff Chaos got, from Maelific Lords to Brimstone spam to Poxblossom to Alpha Legion rush, to deepstriking Smash Bros, etc.., etc… ) were all limited to fairly narrow builds, not to mention Screamer Stars and Riptide Wings of Editions past.

      Chaos is throwing out comparable win rates with an unprecedented diversity of broken combinations.

      In the combination of tournament win rates AND army list diversity doing it, Chaos right now is easily the best (or or most broken) army in the history of 8th edition, if not the history of 40K a couple of editions back.

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        abusepuppy August 11, 2019 10:44 am #

        >discounts Don Hooson’s list as “underpowered”
        >talks about Cultists as a competitive choice

        Oh, you.

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          Zweischneid August 11, 2019 2:51 pm #

          Cultists appear to have done very well at Slaughterfest and a few other events.

          Are they stupidly broken like the usual FW idiocy? Probably not. But they are (now, finally) at a point where they are a solid, strong choice for a tournament player.

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          Zweischneid August 11, 2019 3:00 pm #

          Either way, if Chaos-lists (multiples, not just one) can reach GT finals using significant numbers (not just min battalions) of what people usually consider only the maybe fifth or at best fourth best troop choice available to a faction, complaining about mono-build-syndrom seems off.

          When was the last time, say, Eldar/Aeldari won a GT with a list built heavily around the only roughly fifth-best troop choice people usually laugh about? Tyranids? Anyone?

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    ChrisS August 12, 2019 1:10 am #

    Don’t get me started on Tyranid, sigh. The plastic model range isn’t bad at all, especially given how easy it is to customise stuff, but the codex is flagging. It’s a good example of a faction for which a few modest rule tweaks could make it much more competitive…. which would surely lead to increased model sales. At the moment it doesn’t even have any Vigilus style detachments.

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      CWDub August 12, 2019 7:30 am #

      I kinda hope this is a precursor towards codices being revamped/republished as we continue to cycle through the edition. The earliest books (SM, Grey Knights, CSM, Nids, Eldar) all need some tweaks to bring them back up to par. The Chapter Tactic change for Ravenguard would be a great change for Alatoic flyers, as well.

      I have zero issue with buying a new codex every two years. I’m not a huge fan of carrying an extra book (ie Vigilus) but it looks like they’re rolling (some of?) the specialist detachment stuff into the base strategems.

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