Chapter Tactics #109: Command Point Management 101 and A Post Adepticon Meta Snapshot

Chapter Tactics is a 40k podcast which focuses on promoting better tactical play and situational awareness across all variations of the game. Today Peteypab, Geoff, Sean, and The Falcon analyze the results from 6 GTs and then discuss how to leverage clever CP management and Stratagem use into winning a competitive 40k game. 

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About Petey Pab

Aspiring 40k analyst, tournament reporter and Ultramarines enthusiast, Petey Pab only seeks to gather more knowledge about the game of 40k and share it with as many people as he can in order to unite both hobbyists and gamers. We are, after all, two sides of the same coin.

16 Responses to “Chapter Tactics #109: Command Point Management 101 and A Post Adepticon Meta Snapshot”

  1. CWDub April 9, 2019 7:23 am #

    Graia’s Dogma is Refusal to Yield: Roll a D6 each time a model with this dogma is slain or flees – on a 6 that model refuses to yield; either that model is not slain (and has 1 wound remaining), or that model does not flee.

    They can’t leave combat unless there’s a Graia character on the battlefield.

  2. don hooson April 9, 2019 2:39 pm #

    *blushes in big head*

    • Petey Pab
      Petey Pab April 9, 2019 3:57 pm #

      Haha!

  3. Zweischneid April 9, 2019 10:40 pm #

    Maybe there‘ll be a few mono-faction RTTs/GTs in the US now.

    There‘ve been many tournaments in Europe running mono-faction anyhow, and more recently some have been reporting results to the ITC and give ITC points, e.g. Gibraltar GT or the Into the Hellstorm GT in the last couple of weeks.

    Perhaps a few US TOs pick that up now if mono-faction becomes more popular.

    • abusepuppy April 10, 2019 6:32 am #

      There already are some such tournaments, but they tend to be smaller events and don’t get reported on a lot because they aren’t all that relevant to the meta.

      • Zweischneid April 10, 2019 11:07 pm #

        Sure. And I wouldn’t expect the really big tournaments to ever go mono-faction.

        But Gibraltar GT was around 80 people or so? I am pretty sure there might be interest/demand for 100+ monofaction tournaments.

        Far to many of them tend to be won with Tau (which are also far stronger IMO in by-the-book-40K than you give them credit for, even among soups, though perhaps because the US simply doesn’t use GW terrain rules RAW or end-of-game scoring as much).

        • abusepuppy April 11, 2019 3:59 am #

          The ITC terrain rules (specifically ruins blocking sight) and progressive missions are certainly both big detriments to Tau, although they have been strong enough to win major events and GTs a number of times anyways, so I don’t feel they’re really _that_ big a problem for them. The main issue is that Tau has some problems in certain matchups, most especially Eldar- and that’s a very bad army to have a problem matchup with right now. Their game against GSC can also be fairly problematic, depending on the respective builds.

  4. Ahzek April 10, 2019 1:09 am #

    I wish you guys would have covered the two Majors that used single faction rules – SN GT (80 players) and Into the Hellstorm 2 (64 players). It’s a good case study in what happens when you limit armies to a single codex.

    • Petey Pab
      Petey Pab April 10, 2019 10:30 am #

      We talked about both events before the episode.

      Peter can shed some more light on it, but with both tournaments I believe there was issues getting the lists (making them a little hard to cover), and we wanted to avoid them due to them being so different.

      If it’s an archetype that picks up, maybe we can look into it. Generally we like to stick to standard known formats. NOVA, ETC, ITC, GW, etc.

      Comp, silly rules, and other non-standard formats are generally rare and have their own weird metas.

      • Ahzek April 11, 2019 12:27 am #

        That is odd – both events used BCP, and all lists were available on BCP. Both were ITC events. One used ETC missions, and one used ITC missions. It would have been a great opportunity for you guys to analyze them, because when you talk about faction power rankings, you had two Majors that were solo faction. Maybe next time.

  5. James Mackenzie April 10, 2019 4:17 am #

    Just FYI chaps Hull is on the East coast, but its of England not Florida or Washington 😉

    Thanks for the shout out.

  6. frigginslayer April 10, 2019 6:27 am #

    Hey guys quick note since it was raised at around 22:00

    The Brigade Det. I took to BGGC was Cadian. I might’ve accidentally uploaded Catachan on BCP, but it’s listed as Cadian on the Google Drive where the TO was collecting the lists (just double checked) and I played it as Cadian all weekend!

    My mistake 🙂

    • Sean Morgan April 10, 2019 11:38 am #

      Ah, okay, good to know. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on stuff like that, but it’s hard to tell when you’re not at the tournament and don’t directly know anyone involved.

      Do you have any thoughts on Pask/Tank Commanders loadout? I know triple HBs and Battle Cannon is very popular; have you tested any others, or was that simply too obvious of a choice not to take? I always found that the Executioner competed with the Battle Cannon in my mind, though obviously range is a significant concern there.

      • frigginslayer April 11, 2019 6:12 am #

        Yeah I totally understand… didn’t expect anyone to dig through a Facebook Event page to find a Google Drive link. Given the lists you guys talked about from our event, I figured y’all pulled from BCP cause me and Mr. Veritas Praetor Extraordinaire make sure to upload our lists to BCP regardless of event list submission requirements these days…

        As far as TC loadouts are concerned… imo if you’re playing Cadian, BC+3xHB are the way to go every time. Specifically just because ‘Pound Them Into Dust’ (Cadian Tank Order which allows you to reroll # of shots) only effects the BC. That clocks in at 188 for a TC, and 223 for Pask. However, if you’re talking Catachan another reasonable loadout is ExC+HB+2xPlasC, and that clocks in at 185.

        With that you’re basically trading range for better AP, and on Catachan it’s really nice as you’re rerolling # of shots anyways and you can Tank Order yourself for ‘reroll 1’s’. Where it starts to really suck is if there’s any negative modifiers to hit. If there’s any of those, you probably can’t be overcharging every turn which drastically drops that tank’s damage output. Off the cuff I’d say at -1 to hit, the BC loadout out performs the ExC loadout in almost any situation, but with no modifiers the BC and ExC loadout perform about the same.

        For me, since I only play Cadian (they’re by no means better than Catachan, I’m just a Cadian fanboi) the BC loadout has been a no brainer. However, while giving list advice to anyone who’s looking to play the best list they can… I’ve said don’t even look at TCs for your base of fire right now… just get a Castellan. It’s a bit of ‘do as a say, not as I do’ advice though… since… I brought Pask+TCs and a Lancer to LVO despite my own advice.

  7. W April 10, 2019 9:00 am #

    Really cool to hear you covering tournaments from countries outside the “anglosphere”, hope you will be able to continue doing this 🙂 Would love to hear more about the 40k community across the globe

    • Petey Pab
      Petey Pab April 10, 2019 10:28 am #

      Thanks! We do our best, but generally if you host a good standard 40k tournament GT, we try to talk about it.

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