Signals from the Frontline #574: ITC 2017 8th ed Statistics

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Date: 10-20-17


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  • Pablo and Val Heffelfinger crunched some data from the BCP database about ITC participation over the 2017 season. Check out the last Chapter Tactics podcast for a break-down, but we wanted to take a look at some very interesting numbers.
    • ITC Participation is way up.
      • 2016 Season: 5,575
      • 2017 Season to date: 6,333
      • Participation is up 14% and the season isn’t even over yet.
    • What is really interesting though is not just the growth, but the dramatic increase in the number of attendees going to lots of events.
      • The number of ITC attendees going to 3 events in a season went up 58%
      • The number of attendees going to 4 events went up 84%
      • The average size of ITC tournaments is over 20. Participation brings more folks to events, so there is a real benefit for having your local events join in the circuit.
    • Faction usage in 8th ed has been interesting.
      • Forge World army usage fell significantly, but generally more factions are being played competitively than in 7th ed.
      • Out of 7,187 recorded 8th ed games in the ITC:
        • The general best performers in regards to top place finishes in events so far in 8th ed have been:
          • Chaos Space Marines
          • Astra Militarum
          • Adeptus Astartes
        • The best performing Xenos army so far:
          • Orks!
        • Average ITC points earned by faction. So, bear in mind, some of these are outliers as they haven’t been played enough times for a significant amount of data.
Row Labels Average of ITC Points
Renegades and Heretics 79
Chaos 72
Chaos Daemons 72
Dark Mechanicus 71
Adepta Sororitas 71
Genestealer Cult 69
Ynnari 68
Knights Renegades 68
Eldar Corsairs 66
Imperium 66
Asuryani 66
Astra Militarum 65
Chaos Space Marines 62
Harlequins 62
Imperial Agents 61
Aeldari 61
Tyranids 60
Orks 60
Adeptus Astartes 60
Blood Angels 60
Tau Empire 59
Imperial Knights 59
Grey Knights 58
Drukhari 58
Dark Angels 57
Adeptus Mechanicus 56
Space Wolves 54
Necrons 53
Deathwatch 52
  • What will be really cool is to see the data for the 2018 season as it will be 8th the entire time and many more factions will have their codexes. This is some fun information and we’re working on a much more thorough analysis, really drilling down in to this information. Stay tuned for that!

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40k ITC Top 10

Rank First Name Last Name Points Events
1 Tony Grippando 714.27 5 of 5
2 Andrew Gonyo 683.32 5 of 5
3 Nick Nanavati 680.73 5 of 5
4 Brandon Grant 677.44 5 of 5
5 Aaron Aleong 664.7 5 of 5
6 Matt Root 644.93 5 of 5
7 Tyler DeVries 627.8 5 of 5
8 Sam Henley 625.73 5 of 5
9 David Johansen 617.69 5 of 5
10 Trent Northington 615.46 5 of 5

AoS ITC Top 10

Rank First Name Last Name Points Events
1 James Thomas 457.56 4 of 5
2 Joe Krier 456.4 4 of 5
3 Vlad Nica 443.7 4 of 5
4 Samuel Valdez 442.32 4 of 5
5 Zach Lopez 422.06 4 of 5
6 Jarrett Zazuetta 411.91 4 of 5
7 Alexander Gonzalez 393.45 4 of 5
8 Michael Burch 384.01 4 of 5
9 James Sutton 383.88 4 of 5
10 DAVID ROGERS 378.08 4 of 5

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14 Responses to “Signals from the Frontline #574: ITC 2017 8th ed Statistics”

  1. GeekmasterK December 20, 2017 11:08 am #

    Interesting that Orks are sitting at best performing Xenos faction. I’m sure that will shift given more time with the Eldar and Tyranid codexes. Those haven’t been out long enough to shift the numbers, I think.

    • Reecius December 20, 2017 12:36 pm #

      Yeah, for sure. Orks are great though, they have some real strengths in this edition. But, Tyranids and CWE are powerhouse armies, IMO. They are going to quickly rise up in the rankings.

    • Kitani December 22, 2017 9:09 am #

      Yeah, and GSC is the top Xenos army in the ITC points table. Weird, hey?

      • Reecius December 22, 2017 12:30 pm #

        It most likely means that a small number of good players were using them and thus got a slightly skewed ranking because of a small sample set.

  2. V1234 December 20, 2017 6:37 pm #


    You said we’d find out soon why some factions got nothing, or very minimal, in Chapter Approved. It has been like a month almost. Man, hope we find out more soon.

    • Reecius December 20, 2017 6:59 pm #

      Ah, well, I figured folks would connect the dots based on what it said in CA. Unfortunately I cannot elaborate but I think it will become self-evident here fairly soonish? I can’t spill the beans though, sorry.

      • V1234 December 20, 2017 7:47 pm #

        I’m pretty sure most people get what you’re hinting, it is just impatience waiting for GW to make it official.
        I wonder if it’ll be revealed before the year’s end, reveal not release mind you.

        • Reecius December 21, 2017 10:45 am #

          Well, there will be a big info session at the LVO and I bet a lot of cool stuff is revealed there. I know that’s a month away, but it should contain a lot of these answers.

        • Rob Butcher December 23, 2017 4:26 am #

          GW in Nottingham shut down at 12:00 GMT yesterday.

          Any News for 2017 has been released on the warhammer community pages. So only the Horus Heresy book is being released.

          Next show is January 3rd so we’ll start hearing more news after that.

  3. Ishagu December 21, 2017 7:30 am #

    Chaos reign supreme!

    Nooooooooooooo lol

    • Reecius December 21, 2017 10:47 am #

      I think CSM are incredibly strong. They have the best stratagems, amazing psychic powers, hard hitting units and cheap chaff units. That book has everything you could want for sure.

  4. Commader_Sune December 22, 2017 11:09 am #

    It will be very interesting to see the stats next year when all codexes have been out for at least 6 months and two big FAQs have been increased. It should be possible to shrink the averages interval by a few points.

    Oh, by the way I’m a Necron player and the struggle is for real, but I’m not crying too much about it since GW seems to have a great roadmap to fix the issues.

    • Reecius December 22, 2017 12:31 pm #

      Yeah, the data will be so much more interesting next year, I agree! However, this is still super fun to look at.

  5. Rob Butcher December 23, 2017 12:36 am #

    30K was confirmed on Warhammer Tv a couple of months ago as staying with a modified 7th edition rules set. Otherwise, all of those expensive bound books would be worthless. They talked to many 30K players at tournaments etc.

    GW will continue releasing novels (for background), models and some rule updates.

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