Signals from the Frontline #564: Codex Astra Militarum Review

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Date: 10-4-17


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21 Responses to “Signals from the Frontline #564: Codex Astra Militarum Review”

  1. V1234 October 4, 2017 7:20 pm #

    Hey Reece.

    You acknowledged Riptides were just bad, right?
    What would you do, ignoring whatever GW may be planning, if it was solely up to you, how would you balance Riptides?


    • Reecius
      Reecius October 5, 2017 10:19 am #

      Yeah, Riptides are pretty awful right now, unfortunately.

      If I had a magic wand I would reduce the odds of them hurting themselves, probably drop the cost and bump up their damage output a bit, make them a scary unit.

      • V1234 October 5, 2017 1:31 pm #

        Hm, neat.
        I’m not entirely sure what they are intended to be good at doing. Killing MEQs? Killing light vehicles? Anti-vehicle or anti-infantry?

        • Reecius
          Reecius October 5, 2017 2:27 pm #

          Sadly I think they are best at killing themselves at this point in time =(

          But, they will get vastly better in their Dex, that is a safe assumption.

          • V1234 October 5, 2017 6:43 pm

            Hopefully, it is a pretty cool model. Fun to build and paint, be nice for it to have decent rules too.

  2. Chancy October 5, 2017 7:10 am #

    The New AM is a little bonkers. I am not really sure they are all that balanced from what i have seen so far. A little worried. Conscripts are not fixed supper cheap fearless troops with doubble tapping tanks russ’s. Seam really really very super good. Not sure how Tryanids can beat them Honestly. Seams a little hopeless with the data we have at present.

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 5, 2017 8:33 am #

      Nids do very well against AM. You are -1 to hit which right out the gates screws up a lot of their stuff, big time, and Hormagants are one of the best tie-up units in the game. And Biovores…lol. Biovores are out of hand.

      • N.I.B. October 6, 2017 1:38 am #

        Index vs index, Nids have struggled against AM.

        No Nids aren’t -1 to be hit, unless your TO happen to allow outside codex units (Forgeworld Malanthropes) to patch built-in weaknesses in the army design. Many TO’s around the world don’t allow FW because they can’t earn a cent on them, it just means there’s a lot of added work to allow. Plus there’s some unbalanced stuff in there.

        You can’t really factor in Venomthropes, they only protect slow Infantry units.
        AM artillery outclasses Tyranid artillery by far, they play the no-LOS game so much better due to superiour toughness, number of wounds, and sheer cheapness.
        Hive Guards are outranged and taken down unless the Tyranid player gets first turn, then they must focus down the Basilisks. Which means the Wyverns are left untouched to wreck your Genestealers/Hormagaunts.
        Supierour numbers of CP, Orders and special rules make their artillery have a consistent high output with rerolls.
        AM superheavy tanks can just ignore Nids while picking off a unit per turn.

        Decent AM players layer their protective cannon fodder screens, so while your alpha strike Genestealer delete the first screen and consolidate into the second, they can just Fall Back, use a Stratagem to shoot anyway and delete any survivors with Wyverns or other shooting.

  3. Trueknight803 October 5, 2017 9:30 am #

    Any chance this can get uploaded to itunes??

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 5, 2017 10:17 am #

      It goes up on Friday morning at 9am PST!

  4. AngryPanda October 5, 2017 11:42 am #

    Those Tohaa look great. That green pops like crazy.

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 5, 2017 11:48 am #

      Yeah, thanks! The artist did a very good job.

  5. Vilicate October 6, 2017 9:23 am #

    I think the reason that people are a little “up in arms” about this book is because they were hoping for a tune-down of the power level for Conscripts, and there really wasn’t one. The orders nerf is negligible, and otherwise everything roughly stayed the same or got better. Primaris Psykers are still amazing, etc etc.

    While the Chaos faction is still the best in practice, many of their power pieces haven’t been updated, so I assume the hope here is that when those books are released or changed via Chapter Approved, they will be brought back in line with the rest of the game (Changeling, Malefic Lords, Magnus’ 3++, and hopefully some additional change to Brimstones).

    The only other reason I can think of for Guard getting a strong reaction is the style of play that they have being somewhat non-interactive. They shoot at you, they don’t move around a ton…you try to stay alive long enough to kill some of them or to take objectives, so it’s basically the Guard player rolling dice at you and you taking saves and removing models. It also doesn’t give the impression of there being a lot of skill of the side of the Guard player (even though there definitely is quite a bit in deployment, placement, target priority, and planning).

    Definitely feels like the best (most powerful) codex to be released so far.

    • EmbraceYourInnerGeek October 7, 2017 10:02 am #

      Much the same reason folks disliked Tau in 6th. Castle up and shoot you off the table. Not a lot of fun.

    • Stratigo October 8, 2017 2:21 pm #

      I still want to know how chaos are performing better than guard. Guard based imp soup armies have topped almost every major tourney since the flyer nerf that I know of. Where have chaos pulled off more ranks than guard based imp soup?

  6. Donthemagnificent October 6, 2017 12:34 pm #

    Question: Can I pull a hipster move and say, “I used plaguespitters on my plagueburst crawlers before it was cool”?

  7. Dbiesto October 6, 2017 3:23 pm #

    One thing GW is doing right is either adding wounds, reducing points, or improving shooting, or all 3. Chaos this edition is the most flexible Ive seen it in years(Alpha legion is the chaos White Scars this edition but other legions can still compete) and AM finally has the components to be more than a leaf blower/ conscript spam if a player optimized the list. I feel that armies with codexes do currently have an unfair advantage compared to index armies, which is expected. And then harlequins won a tournament #MindBlown. I just wish they would release all the codexes faster so we could determine what armies will be the true top tiers/ taac lists. Looking forward to the first Xenos codex to see how they square up #Cheers

  8. Sossen October 7, 2017 12:12 am #

    You don’t do the durability of conscripts justice. Yes, each individual conscript is easy to kill and that can mislead you into thinking that the units are soft. That doesn’t take pts efficiency into account – there are very few ways to kill them at range while using a reasonable amount of resources. You need the most efficient anti-infantry shooting, something like Guilliman-buffed assbacks, just to be able to make your points back in time. Dedicated melee units like Berzerkers are probably the most efficient conscript killers but such units killing conscripts is exactly what an AM player wants them to do.

    This doesn’t mean that conscripts are an unbreakable wall, it just means that an AM player can and should bring a lot of them for cheap and a TAC army is typically not going to be able to kill them fast enough. Conscripts are only sort of bad in matchups where the opponent can ignore the conscripts and just shoot at the backline, but then they are still capping objectives with ObSec.

    • Dbiesto October 7, 2017 11:03 am #

      You really can fight against most builds especially with the update of double tap tanks. Anything that moves fast and is spammable such as jet packs, bikes, teleporting hordes, can damage them. Breaking the line is doable, but it definitely requires some list tailoring. The biggest challenge will be the guy who spams conscripts and drop troops because they will grab objectives while conscripts tie you up the entire game. That type of list will easily be the most challenging.

  9. Dbiesto October 7, 2017 11:50 am #

    Alpha Legion
    Outrider and Spearhead detachment

    2 DPs slaanesh
    28 bikes- 5 combi meltas
    12 obliterators

    All slaaensh for cacophony. No point in obsec because of conscupt spam so just try to blast them with high T and -1 bikes. Drop troops would still out number your drops but could use obliterators to counter objective holding

  10. Vonvilkee October 9, 2017 5:20 am #

    I haven’t seen anybody mention the take cover order… I suspect it will be the first whoops correction. RAW right now it works on anything… 2+/4++ against shooting knight for a CP yes please… combo with canticles? 1+ /3++ omg guard so cheap you can squeeze 15 CP and actually have teeth? Terrain is going to be super important

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