Index Chaos Review: Lord of War: Renegade Knight

Wow it is amazing how a new edition revitalizes an army.  The Chaos Space Marines are looking to be pretty awesome as of late and the Renegade Knight is something that fits very well in most flavors of the “Bad Guys” of the universe.  While we do lose access to the “daemon knight”, Chaos kept the very customizable Renegade Knight (not Renegade Legion Knight – which would have been awesome).  Lucky for us the basic Index for Chaos had the datasheets and points for our favorite engine of destruction with all the old options available.  So with that in mind – let’s get onto the review shall we!  As usual you can read up on more tactics at the Frontline Tactics Corner.

The Renegade Knight is basically an “Evil” Imperial Knight.  Its weapon load outs are almost exactly the same and instead of making a Renegade Warden/Errant/Paladin – GW decided to just make one version with the ability to upgrade all its weapons.  This also means that it now has the option to have 2 of the same gun on each arm which makes it different from the Imperial counterpart.  So yes – Chaos did get something “better” then those pesky good guys.

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Overview:

The Renegade Knight is one of the other non Forge World super heavy options for basic Chaos Space Marine armies.  At least in the context of the straight Index releases.  With the Chaos Space Marine codex coming out – the Renegade Knight is most likely limited to a combo within a Super Heavy Detachment or some kind of “extra” bonus when added to a Supreme Command option.  The issue with the Super Heavy Detachment is needing to take 2 other Super Heavies with the common theme either taking Magnus, a Double Gun Knight, and then some kind of fancy FW super Greater Daemon.  You can also take this guy in a single Super Heavy choice – but as you are limited to 3 Detachments in a matched play army it gets hard to have all those delicious Command points at your disposal.

The set up for the Renegade knight is a heck of a lot easier then any other.  You take the basic Gallant shell and have the ability to swap out both arms.  This is huge as it is a simple way to get all the Knights into Chaos and gives the Chaos player a chance to have a slightly different Knight (2 of the same weapon on both arms)  that is unique from the normal Imperial Knight.  In some ways I kind of hope we see some Renegade Knights in the upcoming Ad Mech book with a push into Dark Mechanicus flavors.  It would be pretty interesting to see some Knight Stratagems as well as options for some fell relics.

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Stats:

The damage table for the Knight is pretty harsh as they get pretty terrible when heavily wounded.  As usual they do fine until they take half damage.  At 24 wounds and Strength and Toughness 8 it does take awhile to hurt these guys.  The 3+ armor save mixed with an all the time 5+ inv versus Shooting attacks does mean this guy takes a bit more concentration to knock down.  Though once you get him wounded halfway it makes it a lot easier to corral and wrangle this beast as he is normally backing up to try and save himself.  Thankfully his movement of 12″ can’t be boosted by Warptime or else we would see a lot more yolo knights barreling into your opponents army and trying to wreck their business.

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Wargear:

  • Reaper Chainsword – CCW Str +4 Ap -3 Dam 6 – This will be the common weapon as you don’t have any -1 to hit, it does a flat 6 damage, and should allow you to murder most things you need to murder.  Most of the time you will be Titanic Feeting anything to death – but will talk about that ability later.
  • Thunderstrike Gauntlet – CCW Str X 2 Ap -4 Dam 6 – You can still hurl with this awesome fist – but the -1 to hit is pretty huge especially when you stack other modifiers.  It does do decent damage but the Reaper Chainsword is just a better option most of the time  It does let the Knight get super cheap when you just go the CCW Evil Galant flavor.
  • Titanic Feet – CCW Str U Ap -2 Dam 2 – This attack takes your normal attacks and times it by 3 to get you the amount of dice you need to roll.  This is how the Knight does damage that is not as good as stomp but definitely not as bad as a Stomp was too.
  • Avenger Gatling Cannon – 36″ Str 6, Ap -2, Dam 2, Heavy 12 – This gun lost rending but it is still a decent mainstay of the Renegade Knight.  I have come to the conclusion double Battle Cannons look better but this still isn’t a terrible option as you do get a Heavy Flamer added on.
  • Rapid Fire Battle Cannon – 72″ Str 8 Ap -2 Dam D3 Heavy 2d6 – I side with this one a lot more as you can double up with 2 Battle Cannon shots, still be a decent Close Combat monster with Titanic Feet and you get a decent amount of Heavy Stubber shots added on.
  • Thermal Cannon – 36″ Str 9 Ap -4 Dam D6, Heavy D6 – This one gets the Melta ability to roll 2d6 and pick the highest if within half range so it isn’t bad.  It doesn’t have an underslung gun so it ends up being a cheaper option if you just want a Knight that could damage something with firepower.  Rolling a 6 for shots and hitting a few times within half range on the Melta Cannon does mean whatever vehicle, monster, etc you are shooting is going to be dead dead dead.
  • Heavy Stubber – 36″ Str 4 Ap 0 Dam 1 Heavy 3 – The Heavy Chubber as I like to call it.  The fact you have 2 of them can lead to some fun interactions as you kill important things with the lame Chubber.
  • Heavy Flamer – 8″ Str 5 Ap 4 Heavy D6 – sometimes you got to get in close, burn the enemy and then charge in and stomp them out.
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  • Stormspear Rocket Pod – 48″ Str 8 Ap -2 Dam D6 Heavy 3 – Did room 314 call for 3 Krak Missiles and a order of Fanta?
  • Ironstrom Missile Pod – 72″ Str 5 Ap -1 Dam 2 Heavy D6 – I like to use this to get some damage on hidden units.  Plus Barrage lets you barrage snipe.
  • Twin Icarus Autocannon – 48″ Str 7 Ap -1 Dam 2 Heavy 4- It does hit on a +1 to Flyers but the flyer nerf has meant these guns are less taken.

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Special Rules:

This guy is a Titanic vehicle so he comes with a ton of rules.  8th edition really changed how these monsters play and while in some ways they are better in others they have less of the “oh crap you just rolled 6’s I guess I lose”.

  • – Knight Titan Rule – Allows this model to move out of combat with infantry and still be able to move, shoot, and charge again.  This is important as you need to throw something else at one of these guys that isn’t a foot soldier to keep the Knight locked down.  It also allows the Knight to shoot heavy weapons as though it didn’t move.  Thankfully they gave it this rule as this guy would be way to expensive if he always hit on a -1 due to taking a stroll around the table top.
  • – Ion Shield – Knights get a 5+ Inv save vs shooting attacks.  Its normal Armor save of a 3+ is used during everything else.  With its 24 wounds it shouldn’t have to make too many 5+ saves to ensure it stays alive, does some damage, and is useful.
  • – Explodes – This guy explodes like other vehicles on a roll of a 6 when it loses its last wound.  The distance is 2d6 inches so it could be a bad time if one goes down in the middle of your army.  Everyone takes d6 Mortal wounds and let me tell you that small bit of damage can change the game as any nearby characters, vehicles, and other things lose their last few wounds/friends to the deadly explosion of a Knight.  I am just glad it doesn’t scatter anymore nor do we have to use a weird template to try and figure out what the explosion killed.
  • – Titanic Feet – I call this Tiny Feet as it just makes me laugh to think of a Knight dancing around the table top kicking jerks.  For ever attack you now get 3 attacks at Str User Ap -2 Dam 2.  It helps let you get rid of blobs of guys as you throw out 12 attacks unless damaged.
  • – This model has the important Keyword “Chaos” which allows it to be taken in any soup like Chaos Detachment (ie stuff from daemons, Chaos Space Marine, and Renegades all in one detachment).  It also has the Keyword Questor Traitoris which is something I suspect will show up in the upcoming Ad Mech book.
  • – It moves 12″ which means this guy has a threat range of 14-25 inches.  Be prepared for this as these guys might come rushing towards you, use its 3+ armor and 5+ Inv save and get involved in your army in ways you don’t like.

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Tactics: 

The Renegade Knight adds a big counter punch to most of the “evil armies”.  The biggest help is that they give Chaos access to 1-3 super heavy Vehicles that are not limited to events that allow FW experimental rules or are not always the best option available (Khorne Kill Dozer).  They also can add a lot of firepower to the army that tries to utilize some blobs of models that cover the table but are not too good at killing stuff.  Currently the types of lists I have seen are in either Mixed soup army detachments or extreme builds utilizing Maguns and two Knight friends.

Super Heavy Detachment
Magnus
Renegade Knight, Rapid Fire Battle Cannon X 2, Heavy Stubber X 3
Renegade Knight, Rapid Fire Battle Cannon X 2, Heavy Stubber X 3

Daemon Battalion
The Changling
Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, Wings, Malefic Talon X 2
Horrors – 9 Brimstones, 1 Blue Horror
Horrors – 9 Brimstones, 1 Blue Horror
Horrors – 9 Brimstones, 1 Blue Horror
Nurglings X 3
Nurglings X 3

The idea here is you have a good sold back of Objective Secured guys as well as multiple uses of the Changlings ability.  Magnus is there to throw out Smites as needed and some of the other clutch powers from the Hereticus discipline.  The other Daemon Prince gives you a nice “helper” option to let Magnus hopefully not get bogged down.  The Nurglings are there to keep infiltrating and Teleport armies in check as they can gum up the middle a bit and give your army some breathing room.  The Knights themselves are there as mobile battle stations ready to dish out damage and sometimes charge in as needed.

The next list thought would be some kind of bowling ball of Doom idea.  Most likely using Renegades to try and create this Ball of Death with Close Combat knights, some Helbrutes, and maybe some Cultists to make sure the Battalion has enough Command points.

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Chaos Space Marine Renegade Detachment
Dark Apostle
Huron
Exalted Champion
Khorne Berserkers X 20, Icon of Wrath, Chain Axe X 19, Powerfist X 1
Cultists X 10
Cultists X 10
Cultists X 10
Cultists X 10
Cultists X 10

Super Heavy Detachment
Renegade Knight, Reaper Chain Sword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet
Renegade Knight, Reaper Chain Sword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet
Renegade Knight, Reaper Chain Sword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet

This idea is just to go big and hard into your enemy with a ton of huge knights and then a blob of Zerkers followed by their Sacrificial Cultists.  Huron is there as he can get a psychic spell, go for Warptime, and double move the Zerks with two Moves and Advance moves as it is supposed to act like a movement phase.  As you can advance and assault with Renegades you have a good chance of going 12 + 2d6 and then charge another 2d6.  That is some spicy meatballs.

Overall Renegade Knights are not too bad and I think they are a great “support” unit.  You really need support with your Knights so while it is fun to run all big monsters it probably won’t win you the games you want to become the king of the ITC.

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41 Responses to “Index Chaos Review: Lord of War: Renegade Knight”

  1. Dakkath May 13, 2016 11:38 pm
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    Any reason you go double weapons on your knights instead of 2 pseudo-crusaders?

    • abusepuppy May 14, 2016 5:02 am
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      Positioning is the only one I can think of- it lets the Battle Cannon one hang further back (in cover/etc) and the Avenger roam a bit more forward. I’m not sure how much value that actually has, though, and I kinda don’t think that the Battle Cannon setup is actually worth it overall; it has some value when facing a mech list like Gladius that is going to have a lot of vehicles and infantry crammed into a small space, but CSM have other ways of dealing with that sort of thing.

  2. Luke May 14, 2016 11:46 am
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    I think I would probably go double avenger cannons on a single knight and 3 avenger cannons plus 1 CCW if I was running two knights. I think that the forge world variant might still be better, but these are great. Love the ork idea, and I can’t wait to see the conversions that WILL be built

  3. Reecius
    Reecius August 23, 2017 3:18 pm
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    My double battle cannon Renegade Knight is absolutely monstrous. He does so much damage every game.

  4. Jural August 23, 2017 3:36 pm
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    I’m embarrassed to say I never noticed Magnus was a Lord of War in my Index! I have been experimenting with the models I have (which does not include Magnus).

    But that aside, I like write-ups like these. A vanilla overview of the unit and how it can be used without getting too deep into the weeds.

    The “tiny feet” really makes the Knight. The lack of such a rule really restricts the Hierodules for Tyranid, and cramps the style of things like Defilers and Forge/ Mauler fiends.

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 23, 2017 3:39 pm
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      Yeah, we find these types of overviews to be very helpful, particularly fresh in to a new edition!

  5. Simon (Tabletop tourneys) August 23, 2017 3:39 pm
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    so, for some reason the Reply info is already added. But it’s putting in the info of a previous poster (not me).

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 23, 2017 3:40 pm
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      I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying?

      • Jural August 23, 2017 3:47 pm
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        I mean the Name and Mail box are already filled out.

        • Reecius
          Reecius August 23, 2017 3:53 pm
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          Huh?

          • Reecius
            Reecius August 23, 2017 3:56 pm
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            Oh I see, I looked at it as a user, not an admin. That is really weird, I wonder why that is hapenning.

        • Jural August 23, 2017 8:35 pm
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          The above wasn’t me! First time I’ve seen this. I did login from desktop last, and my desktop remembers my info for posting on this site.

          Regardless- next time I write something stupid I’m going to claim it wasn’t me 😉

          • Reecius
            Reecius August 24, 2017 7:54 am
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            Hmm. Weird, I need to figure this one out.

  6. Reecius
    Reecius August 23, 2017 4:07 pm
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    Odd. I did a couple of tests and it isn’t doing it anymore for me. Let me know if it persists for you guys.

    • Eggs August 23, 2017 4:11 pm
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      thanks for looking into it, I was worried it was just me

      • Reecius
        Reecius August 23, 2017 4:25 pm
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        Is it just on this post or others as well?

        • Problem Child August 23, 2017 4:36 pm
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          Looks like its on the others, too. Checked on my phone and it only happens there if I ”Request desktop site”, not that there is much difference.

          • Reecius
            Reecius August 23, 2017 4:37 pm
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            Is this something that only started hapenning recently?

          • Problem Child August 23, 2017 4:43 pm
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            I only noticed it today, but I haven’t checked comments in articles for a while.

          • Dakkath August 24, 2017 9:55 am
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            I just realized the first 3 comments on this article are from 2016, from a different chaos knight article.

          • Reecius
            Reecius August 24, 2017 12:56 pm
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            Indeed, we updated an older article as it makes it easier for the author.

    • Problem Child August 23, 2017 4:52 pm
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      Still happening. Also not Problem Child btw.

      Twin Icarus Autocannons got errata’d to Heavy 4. Thanks for the article!

      • Reecius
        Reecius August 23, 2017 4:59 pm
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        Corrected that, thanks!

        • Styro-J August 23, 2017 5:24 pm
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          Seems better now! (But currently afk)

  7. Don Tomaso August 23, 2017 4:24 pm
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    Gawd, I´ll never get to play/try out these being such a slow painter that i am.

    Fun irrelevant fact: A year before the release of the book “Kingsblade” I actually made up my own knight house called just that, House Draconis (I shit you not, there is proof in texts and pics sent on my FB page) AND on top sculpted up an entire stand alone knight plate set featuring “my” house iconography which is a 50/50 divided imperial eagle (feathers, not metal) and a dragon on the left side.

    All, shoulder plates and shin guards, sent to the caster to get examples up for my very own knight house project plus a few giveaways to friends and maaaybe the occasional online band of batrep making fellow hobbyist weirdos and then the damned novel drops using the very house name that I painstakingly sculpted up an entire set (and worked on a backstory) for.

    I was so pissed that all will to paint up my knights flew out the window.
    Sitting waiting for new inspiraiton to lift the knight banner up again and start painting stuff.

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 23, 2017 4:27 pm
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      Prescience!

  8. Dakkath August 23, 2017 4:32 pm
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    Is the 6D a typo on the avenger cannon? If not I’d use those all day.

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 23, 2017 4:36 pm
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      Lol, no. Fixed the typo.

  9. Don Tomaso August 23, 2017 4:35 pm
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    Yeah, but keep quiet about it or else the government will whisk me of to a secret lab and prob..experiment on me.

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 23, 2017 4:36 pm
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      hahaha, lucky!

  10. Mexibatman August 23, 2017 7:12 pm
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    Why didn’t you mention the chaos hellwright from the ia-chaos index? He can heal renegade knights and is terrifying in his own right at a mere 130 pts?

    • Maeglin August 23, 2017 10:54 pm
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      Plus referring to FW stuff as experimental in the article doesn’t help them get accepted by the community. All the Knights that Chaos have access to in the FW Index are just as valid as the Renegade.

      • Bad Higad August 24, 2017 5:28 am
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        Eh, they seem pretty experimental to me. Look how quickly they changed the Hellforged rule, now the Hellwright can’t even repair his own vehicles. I’m guessing they didn’t have as much time as the main team to work on balanced 8e rules for their models.

    • The payker August 24, 2017 2:16 am
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      Yeah good point. I really like you style! They build lists based on store inventory. No model no list. Most of all no FORGEWORLD

  11. Welfstar August 24, 2017 4:28 am
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    An important note regarding the Knight Titan rule, no manner of unit can hold a Knight in combat (or rather affect its shooting/charging after it disengages). The part of the rule that pertains to infantry is the stepping over part.

    Knights can disengage and shoot/charge no matter who they fled from.

    Reece, you were nowhere to be found at GenCon. Were the rumours of GW tying you up in round the clock meetings true? Haha.

    • Bad Higad August 24, 2017 5:31 am
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      I wouldn’t be surprised if this was an upcoming errata and Mr Reecius accidentally let it slip 😛

      • Reecius
        Reecius August 24, 2017 8:29 am
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        Haha, what?

        • Max Mustermann August 24, 2017 7:15 pm
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          From the article: – Knight Titan Rule – Allows this model to move out of combat with infantry and still be able to move, shoot, and charge again. This is important as you need to throw something else at one of these guys that isn’t a foot soldier to keep the Knight locked down.

          The index says knights can fall back and still shoot and/or charge, and when it falls back, it can move over infantry. RAW it doesn’t get locked down by non-infantry.

          (I don’t see the details of the previous poster on this page, but I do when I click reply on the Hammer of Wrath article.)

    • Venkarel August 24, 2017 8:18 am
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      You can box them in with non infantry. Razorwing flock, rippers, scarabs, vehicles, etc. They cannot move over your models so they cannot get out of combat.

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 24, 2017 8:28 am
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      I came by! I only had like, 15 minutes though, was in meeting after meeting at GenCon.

  12. Bo Chapman August 25, 2017 1:34 pm
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    Awesome read!