Chapter Tactics #37: BAO Results and Meta Analysis w/ BAO Champ Brandon Grant

Chapter Tactics is a 40k podcast which focuses on promoting better tactical play and situational awareness across all variations of the game. Today PeteyPab and BAO 2-Time champion Brandon Grant talk about the 8th edition meta, cover ETC, go over BAO results, and what it takes to be the very best. That no one ever was. 

Show Notes:

  • Click here for a link to the ETC results and lists.
  • Click here for more BAO coverage and pictures!
  • Click here if you want to see some of the facebook livestreams of the event!
  • Chapter Tactics is back! With Weekly episodes and a lot of tactical insight, this is your place for all things 40k in 8th edition.
  • Check out the last episode of Chapter Tactics here. Or, click here for a link to a full archive of all of my episodes.
  • Want more tactical information about the new edition? Check out our 8th Edition article archive to help get a leg up on the competition!


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About Petey Pab

Aspiring 40k analyst, tournament reporter and Ultramarines enthusiast, Petey Pab only seeks to gather more knowledge about the game of 40k and share it with as many people as he can in order to unite both hobbyists and gamers. We are, after all, two sides of the same coin.
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4 years ago

I’m with Brandon Grant there when it comes down to the shortcomings of 8th ed. I think we need better cover rules, straight-up. If it becomes easier to hide some units completely (75% hidden?) AND it becomes easier to get cover bonus through terrain for others, then the alpha strike gets a medium blunt and it comes down way more to player skill (who need to balance being defensive in deployment with aggressive positioning for the objective game in later turns).

4 years ago
Reply to  Alex

Yes, this is a good simple solution to fix “win on turn one”

4 years ago

As an owned of both AdMech and Chaos Daemons, I have to admit that the armies aren’t in a good state right now.

AdMech face the problem of having too little to play with. At the moment there are 3 main things they have: Cawl, Onagers, Kastelans (and maybe Ranger snipers). Everything else is really subpar compared to what other armies have access to. The 4 main problems are: big lack of mobility, infantry is WAY too expensive across the board, only 1 viable HQ (Cawl) since Dominus is horrible since you’ll always have cawl and they are one of the only(if not only) armies to have a “detachment only of this army or lose cool stuff” rule in the index.

Daemons are in an even worse state. They are carried by the brimstone spam. If they get nerfed – daemons might as well go into the dumpster. All the complexity and utility was striped, leaving them the most basic “move and punch” army in the game. For an army like that to work, they have to be overstated. Are they? Let’s look closer. I’ve used Genestealers as a balancing point as daemon non-monsters have to be as strong as they have too little tools right now. I’ve made an excel spread sheet of damage per point on their best target. Genestealers are 0.11 ratio. I’ll compare units with them like this (unit ratio:0.11(to remind you in case you forgot)). Keep in mind that this is disregarding the really strong mobility and T4 that genestealers have so mostl daemons should be higher than that ratio, right?:
Khorne – oh dear god why. They are by FAR the worst subfaction:
BT(aka Wrath of Khorne because why would you take anything else. They really need to have differing pts values) – shot dead turn 1 or reduced to, at best, 8” of movement. With wings counting as “visible” you can’t hide it. Even going first and advancing you still will not attack anything you want to attack on turn 2 as the enemy will just put their screen in the way and you can’t fly over it with just 8”. Oh and this costs 340 pts. Compare this to Magnus, Swarmy or anything else at the same-ish price on other armies. It’s a joke. At 200 I might take him.
Bloodletters – these guys actually have a place now with the PL and pts drops in CSM codex – letterbombs with summoning. They hit like a truck(0,139:0,11) <– after the 2 pts drop
Bloodcrushers – really slow for a cavalry, doesn't even hit that hard (0,086). Vulnerable to multiwound weapons – so less survivable than Genestealers, slower, and do less damage (this will become a trend)
Flesh Hounds – got slower but can now deny psychic powers. However they are really lacking in damage(0.06:0.11) and survivability. And still less mobile than genestealers.
Skull Cannon – this makes me want to puke. Ranged damage comparison for the "lulz" (0.01:0.11). Wow. Is this a sick form of a joke? It needs to cost TEN POINTS (instead of 100) to do the same damage as genestealers. (ofc ranged should do less and they can fight in melee somewhat, but still).
Karanak – awful. Has no impactful auras or anything and does no damage (0.039:0.11)
Skulltaker – really bad stats but a pretty good aura making you not take squads of 30 letters. (0.04:0.11)
The only good Herald is the Blood Throne version. Others are lacking.

As you can see Khorne is in a really bad place now. Most things should get a pretty chunky price drop or gain some abilities to compensate. Should I continue to Tzeentch(who are really bad since they lost psychic powers and got nothing as compensation. Also lol screamers), Slaanesh(who are way too squishy and in general are slower, less durable and do less damage than genestealers (seekers are an exception)) and Nurgle(who are actually doing pretty OK)?

4 years ago
Reply to  rvd1ofakind

The points reductions of the troops is a step in the right direction. As they were already the best unit we have(still not up to par with other ofc), I assume other daemon units will get hit by even bigger points drops, right?

4 years ago
Reply to  rvd1ofakind

While I tend to agree with what your saying, demon princes are pretty darn good as well. 6 attacks at 7/-2/2 hitting on 2’s, rerolling 1’s, hidable behind screens, casts smite.
I’ve been having fun with 5 dp’s (using different God’s to maximize the number of spells I can cast a turn), typus, 100 pox walkers. Yes, brimstone’s are more cost effective than poxwalkers, but zombies?

4 years ago
Reply to  Spaceork

Notice I didn’t mention DPs. They are actually good

4 years ago

Great listen.
Thanks for the content guys.

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