Signals from the Frontline #428

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Date

4-29-16

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  • Today is the last day to take advantage of the Imperial Knights: Renegades box set at our 25% off price! This is a limited release so do not wait to get such a hot deal.
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  • New Infinity releases for Ariadna, Yu-Jing, Haqislam, and the Morat, and they look incredible.

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  • Dropfleet Commander update! Pictures of sprues, and they’re looking awesome.

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  • Big changes on the way for Age of Sigmar! Points, campaign play, and narrative play.
  • Orrucks on the way for AoS and th emodels look absolutely awesome!
  • Dog fighting in 40k? Death from the skies sounds quite cool with updated Data Slates for flyers, dog fighting rules and 2 very cool new models, the Space Marine Stormhawk and Wazbom Blastajet.

Rant Session

  • A great survey was run by Alex and Jamie, showing the opinions of many of our fellow Games Workshop hobby enthusiasts.

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Tactics Corner

Rules Lawyer

Completed Commissions

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List Review

Hey just got back into 40k after about a year would love to have my list reviewed on signals from the frontline.

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Combined Arms Detachment

  • Captain in Terminator Armour(Combi-Meltagun + Chainfist)
  • 5 Tactical Squad(Plasma gun,Drop pod)
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  • 2 Centurion Devastator Squad(Grav-cannon)
  • 1 Centurion Sergeant(Grav-cannon)
  • 2 Centurion Devastator Squad(Grav-cannon)
  • 1 Centurion Sergeant(Grav-cannon)
  • 2 Drop pod

Formation: Skyhammer Annihilation Force

  • 5 Assault Squad(Jump Pack)
  • 5 Assault Squad(Jump Pack)
  • 10 Devastator Squad(Grav-cannonx4,Drop pod)
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12 Responses to “Signals from the Frontline #428”

  1. ehegner April 29, 2016 11:34 am
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    As a tau plays the power that scares me the most is null zone (-2 to an enemy units invulnerable save). I played a unit ofor 2 surges this week against a iron hands deathstar with libi conclave and dark angels allies and lost my Stormsurges in combat cause I went from 4++ to 6++.

    The SM deathstars where already durable enough l. The angel of death just takes it from manageable to outright nigh unkillable.

    Having access to D and stomps are great but doesn’t mean shit till you get a 6 awhich at the point can be look out sir’d

    • DirtyDeeds April 29, 2016 12:01 pm
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      Not to mention the other OP powers, like reroll failed saves, switching units, moving terrain, ignoring kine or sight and cover! Pretty crazy imo.

    • abusepuppy April 29, 2016 12:53 pm
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      I don’t feel like the Null Zone is that big against Tau- the full deathstar will typically kill a Stormsurge in a turn or two of combat anyways, it’s really just a matter of how many casualties the Stomps do. Ensuring you get into combat (or protecting yourself via reroll saves, etc) are much bigger for them.

      But yeah, the powers make an already-annoying army just completely untouchable in some cases. If they roll up Worldscape, Invisibility, and Veil then it really doesn’t matter what your army has or does, you cannot ever hurt them or escape them.

  2. xthexclincherx April 29, 2016 11:54 am
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    Yeah, null zone has always been a clutch power for Space Marines ever since I remember playing back in the start of 6th (used to LOVE it coming out of a land raider with my librarian against some Necron Wraiths! HAHA)… those were the days…

    Hey, I guess it could be worse right… it used to be a bubble AND it was just flat-out re-roll successful saves… OUCH.

    Not to be salty, but I don’t remember people saying it was too OP back then…

    I really think that the ability to cast things on a 2+ with the Conclave is part of the problem, but it really stinks that we’d have to target a specific formation to get rid of… that doesn’t seem quite fair when there are other formations that “people dread”… what a tough call on how to rule 🙁

    • xthexclincherx April 29, 2016 12:00 pm
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      Just to add another thought here… since a lot of people end up dumping lots of points into one unit, or a deathstar, etc. I mean isn’t that just sort of the risk you run? It’s the same for a lot of other armies dealing with a lot of other things… I mean just look at some other “bad match-ups”… I think it’s just the competitive nature of the beast.

      I would really prefer to see an “ITC Modification” to these powers rather than banning the trees altogether, just like for Invisibility… there are a lot of other really cool powers in the supplement that enable more “fluffy” armies to be more effective… and we really don’t want to cripple those people. It should be about empowering people playing lists that want their Libby conclave in a pod to shoot lightning sparks everywhere on the drop… or a libby buffing some vindicators advancing up the field… there’s a lot of that stuff in there we shouldn’t get rid of by banning the whole tree…

      As a recommendation, one way to modify Electrodisplacement would be that it just counts as having been in reserve, if the unit it swapped with was in reserve (same would go for outflank, infiltrate, scout, etc.) That has worked locally for us. You could modify the terrain moving thing as well to just be more specific… i.e. “…can’t move fortifications, anything on the terrain (models/objectives) stay in place and don’t come along for the ride… another option that’s worked locally.

      I’d like to see more of that in the inevitable ITC poll for these rather than banning the whole tree, or the conclave…

      • abusepuppy April 29, 2016 12:59 pm
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        Null Zone wasn’t broken then and I wouldn’t say it is broken now- the problem is that it covers yet _another_ of the armies’ weaknesses (enemy deathstars) above and beyond the other stuff already there. Worldscape, Veil, and Electrodisplacement are the real offenders, most of the other stuff is just icing on the cake.

        The deathstars, with the new powers, aren’t just a matter of “bad matchups”- they are problematic because they break the normal assumptions of 40K (you can’t assault on the first turn) and they are almost impossibly durable (the number of even Scatter Laser or Lascannon shots required to do a single wound to the unit borders on the absurd.) As a result, they make the game less interactive; it becomes a match of who rolled their good powers and who got first turn and very little else matters beyond that.

        I don’t particularly like the idea of banning the powers outright, but even with modifications they are still very abusive, if somewhat less so. I question whether it will be enough.

        • AngryPanda April 29, 2016 2:30 pm
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          Maybe we will see a fashion of deathstar armies that can also do null deployent to prevent losing theirs before it can use it’s psychic powers. Something with single drop pods to send down every turn to prevent it from losing before it arrives or such.

          • abusepuppy April 30, 2016 5:26 am
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            They certainly will have that much, since they want the Pod in order to do Electrodisplacement shenanigans. But with as much LOS-blocking terrain is common at LVO/BAO, they almost don’t need that for going second.

  3. Hush May 1, 2016 3:54 am
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    On the survey how did 101.3% of people own space marines? Is this to do with the comment on it not accounts for people oqning multiple s?

    • westrider May 1, 2016 9:11 am
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      Yeah, people got double-counted if they had two SM Armies (inc. SW, GK, BA, DA), triple-counted if they had three, etc.

      I’m actually kind of surprised it isn’t higher, given how many people I know with multiple SM Armies, and how few I know with none.

  4. TinBane May 1, 2016 4:00 pm
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    The 1/12 rule means wounds have to have an odds of at least 8.33% chance of going through. Not sure if FNP factors.

    The 3+ rerolling 1s works out as follows:

    You have a 2/6 chance of failing a 3+.
    The Rerolling 1s, means you only get 1/6, but then you add 1/3 of the other 1/6th.
    So the odds of failing, are MUCH higher, than 1/12.

    Basically, if ANY of the face values of the first roll of the dice, that are failiures count, you can’t do better than 1/6 (17%).

    So, a full 3+/3+ is slightly worse than 2+/4+. Interestingly, if you add a 5+ FNP, a 3+/3+/5+fnp (7.1%, or 1 in 14 chance of failure) is better than a 2+/4+.

  5. AngryPanda May 2, 2016 9:31 am
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    I don’t think Sisters of Battle are realy still as good as you think. Maybe pre Decurions but at this point most things they can do don’t even matter. Ignore cover melta sounds good but who uses vehicles anyway? Otherwise just compare a Sister to a Marine. Between ATSKNF and Chapter tactics it is beyond silly.