The Raw Dog ITC 2015 List Review

Hey guys!

Raw Dogger here to talk about my 2015 ITC list while I try to hide the fact that missing Adepticon 2015 aint no thang and that I’m not horribly depressed by it.

Last season was pretty rough on the old Raw Dog, with a placing far lower than a snake’s belly in a wagon rut.  That’s how I’m talking these days.  My wife loves it.  I know what you’re thinking.  How can a man on the Team Zero Comp C Team perform so poorly in a tournament circuit designed by the very company for which he works?  How can a guy so shockingly handsome and in such great shape place so poorly in a world wide tournament circuit tailor made for one of his standing?  Those are questions I ask myself every morning when I look in the mirror.  The long and short of it is that I did not stick with the same list throughout the season.  Those that know me personally can attest to my ever changing attitude and humors, which translate into my 40k hobby as an army list that is constantly in flux.   Lose a game the first time I bring a new list to the table?  Change that shit.  Win a couple consecutive games and then lose due to poor dice rolling?  Oh you know I be changing that shit up.  Just ask anyone!  It’s a  real problem.

Rage quit

This year, I plan on running a single list for better or worse.  Though I am not able to participate in some of the larger ITC tournaments due to having to work the events there are several smaller events that I have already signed up for such as the Guardian Cup 8 in Portland (the Ocho), No Mercy 2 in Sacramento, and most recently the latest 20 person event run locally at End Game by Mr. Tasty Taste Himself.  I still have a lot of assembly and painting to do before I am able to start play testing, but luckily I know a fantastic painting studio with very reasonable pricing.  Cough…Cough…

Anyways, without further adieu here is the 1850 point ITC list.

CAD Space Marines (White Scars)

Chapter Master – Bike, Artificer Armor, Shield Eternal, Power Fist (Warlord)

Korsarro Khan – Moondrakken

Command Squad – Bikes, Apothecary, 4x Grav Guns, 2x Storm Shields

Bikers – +2 Bikers, 2x Melta Guns, Combi Melta, Melta Bomb, Attack Bike with Multi-Melta

Bikers– +2 Bikers, 2x Melta Guns, Combi Melta, Melta Bombs, Attack Bike with Multi-Melta

Bikers– +2 Bikers, 2x Flamer, Combi-Grav, Melta Bombs

Centurions – +1 Centurion, 3x Grav Cannons, 1x Twin-Linked Lascannon, Omni Scope, Sergeant has Missile Launchers.

Thunderfire Cannon

Sicaran – Heavy Bolters

 

Allied Inquisition

Coteaz

 

So the general idea is that the White Scar Bike units take advantage of their Scout special rule and alpha strike if I have first turn.  The Centurions move up the field to hold the center of the table with Coteaz providing anti-deep strike shenanigans and hopefully rolling on the ignore cover Divination power that Geoff Robinson loves so much.  Coteaz also helps with not getting seized on, which is disastrous for an alpha striking scout army.  The Chapter Master either rolls with the Khan and his grav death Command Squad, or rolls with Coteaz and the Centurions in case there is a plethora of AP 2 weaponry on the table (to tank wounds).  I love his versatility!  If going second the versatility of being able to outflank the bike squads or re-position them is very clutch.  I’ve included a Thunderfire Cannon to take care of weak objective takers hiding in cover or behind line of sight blocking terrain and the Sicaran because he is a beast and the plethora of Jinking skimmers (Wave Serpents) make him a must have.  The list has everything it needs to kill Knights, which are another common sight on the battlefield these days.

There are some definite downsides to this army.  As usual I have a low body count.  This could be an issue in the current MSU objective secure ITC environment.  The bike squads are fairly small and easy to kill.  7 wound (5 bikers +Attach Bike) units with a 3 + armor save are certainly not that hard to deal with in the high volume fire power world of 7th edition 40k.  The +1 to the Jink and Skilled Rider do help quite a bit, though.  I also do not have any real close combat units.  The Chapter Master is decent but other than that if I am in combat things have definitely gone wrong.

So what are your thoughts?  Is this list hot or not?  Is it ready to kick as and take names or dead on arrival?  How are babby formed?

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About Jason

Raw Dogger, aka, Phat J Sleaze (formerly of the Booty Boyzzz) is a highly opinionated, questionably skilled 40k enthusiast. When not working at Frontline Gaming, he can be found down on Jabroni Avenue.

25 Responses to “The Raw Dog ITC 2015 List Review”

  1. CaptainA March 19, 2015 12:04 pm #

    The Ocho!

    I played a similar list with stock Centurions with Tiggy and found them lacking, especially against Eldar who can easily out range you.

    There has got to be an easy way to get them a drop pod or Storm Raven for precise placement. Maybe take one of those smaller bike squads out for a Storm Raven or swap Cocheez and the bike squad for Mephy and a drop pod?

    Just think you are going to have a lot of points in those Cents and they won’t be able to do too much if people stay out of their range.

    • Jason
      Raw Dogger March 19, 2015 12:52 pm #

      30″ range ain’t to bad! The sergeant also has a las cannon and krak missile launcher, so nothing will ever be completely out of range. Sure things like Wave Serpents or other fast units will able to move out of range…right into the grav and melta from the bike squads.

      • CaptainA March 19, 2015 1:12 pm #

        I’m telling ya! You’ll be a sad panda in Hammer and Anvil against a lot of armies. 🙂

  2. Hotsauceman1 March 19, 2015 12:22 pm #

    ……really. white scars?
    my itc list wilol be a siege of cracks lost using obsec death riders allied with stock ig.

    • Jason
      Raw Dogger March 19, 2015 12:50 pm #

      Did you have a seizure while typing that?

      • Hotsauceman1 March 19, 2015 1:28 pm #

        My auto correct did

  3. Nova star March 19, 2015 12:56 pm #

    You know Khan has to be the warlord for White Scars to get scout

    • Jason
      Raw Dogger March 19, 2015 1:18 pm #

      Damnit! I did know that but was trying to cheat. I suppose he would have to be warlord.

  4. fluger March 19, 2015 1:09 pm #

    I don’t see a Stormlord. I must be confused on the author.

    • Jason
      Raw Dogger March 19, 2015 1:18 pm #

      I still bring it, I just hit people in the face with it when they do well.

      • fluger March 19, 2015 1:26 pm #

        Make sure to make it a Chaos variant so you can add spikes to it and really do some damage. Try for a personal best of getting it to stick on their face for as long as possible.

  5. Corbeau March 19, 2015 3:07 pm #

    I’m going to be bold and try and propose some change, not on your list, not on your strategies but on your attitude toward gaming. I may me completle wrong, this is an observation from your online games.
    From what i’ve listen/wread from you, you think rour chances are always low (french guy here, bear with me)
    You play a game vs Reece and you always talk about your imminent defeat

    You need to change your inner monologue to something more proud? arrogant? confident?

    You kind of beat yourself sometime, when you think of defeat. You need to find your inner Khorne 🙂

    Remember that you are playing against some of the best players in the 40K community.
    Perhaps some of the 100 best in the world…

    You are a very good 40K player

    Try not to concentrate on list, play with anything and try to win some matches by trying something new
    Finding the wright unit for your playstyle (defensive, offensive, sneaky, etc…)

    Netlist have one important flaw, EVERYBODY knows it’s weakness, stats, how to counter…

    Like I said I may be completle wrong here, and I don’t mean to offed you 🙂

    but one thing i’m sure is

    You are a very good 40K player!

    • Jason
      Raw Dogger March 19, 2015 3:25 pm #

      Thanks Corbeau! Those are really good points. I do tend to get down on my luck sometimes. I will harness my inner Khorne from now on!!! (Lightning Bolt)

    • Bellerah March 20, 2015 7:24 am #

      Excellent advice, If we replace Raw Dogger with Reece, this list will be set!!

  6. Alex Yuen March 19, 2015 3:26 pm #

    I will just say this. This list focus on killing way too much. I will shift it to more a counter attack/position. if position is not your goal then why even bother to use bike. marine on foot is a much better option on killing shit.

  7. Reecius
    Reecius March 19, 2015 8:25 pm #

    Your articles Crack me up, dude!

  8. Jp March 20, 2015 5:06 pm #

    So a local player has been playing a similar army with good success

    He runs (from memory)
    White scars
    Bike chapter master (all the fixings)
    Cypher
    A few bike squads
    3 centurions

    Ally
    BA priest on bike
    Scouts
    Empty drop pod for cents

    The drop pod drops the cents in covers enter of table, they will be range with a shrouded cover save!
    Bikes do their thing

    Reminds me a lot of your list!
    But like everyone else is saying, walking centurions are easily outplayed

    • IndigoJack March 20, 2015 7:51 pm #

      Who does cypher join? I don’t see any units with infiltrate.

      • Jp March 21, 2015 6:06 am #

        Currently that faq no longer exists… So he joins the centurions in the drop pod..

        • IndigoJack March 21, 2015 3:20 pm #

          That FAQ does exist, just on games workshop’s website, not the black library

  9. Tarrasq March 20, 2015 7:42 pm #

    Am I missing something on the command squad/wargear page of my codex, how does the command squad get grav guns?

    • Jason
      Raw Dogger March 22, 2015 9:53 am #

      Grav Guns are special weapons. Any model in the command squad can take a special weapon? What codex are you looking at?

  10. Kartr March 20, 2015 8:49 pm #

    I think you should add LoG Schism of Mars to the Sicaran. Giving the Rending, ignores Jink auto cannons Tank Hunters is brutal! Plus you ignore Haywire on 4+ and get BS5 vs Daemon Engines.

    Other than that I like it, though I do agree with others you need to work on your mindset. Maybe paint up a Chaplain, stick him on a mp3 player and have it play inspiring exhortations to win for the glory of the Chapter and the Master of Mankind.

    • Reecius
      Reecius March 22, 2015 8:25 am #

      I agree, schism of Mars is incredible.

    • Jason
      Raw Dogger March 22, 2015 9:54 am #

      I would, but not sure where to find that rule or the points cost.

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