Guest 40K Editorial by Facepuncher: Midrange Lists (And Why I Don’t Like them Anymore)

A guest editorial by Facepuncher.

Hello all. I have been thinking about 6th a lot lately and some of the tournament trends that I have seen. I want to write about the general competitive concept of “midrange” lists and “rock, paper, scissor” lists. Some may point out that this has always been a consideration in the competitive 40K scene. I agree, however, I would like to argue in this article that the increase in viable competitive lists as well as wacky “one tricky pony” unit combinations currently, and will continue to a greater extent as more codex are released, invalidates the relevance of a “midrange” list. Just a friendly FYI: this article is written with the competitive mindset. This is not the only thing that is important about the W40K hobby, nor is it the most important. I just happen to run with a crowd that enjoys, and personally enjoy, this aspect of the hobby the most.

Let us first take a brief look of where we are currently and where we are going as far as competitive tournament list considerations are concerned. I think there are two points a good player considers: What my army must do to win the scenario AND what armies/units my opponent might bring to oppose me.

I think Reece Robbins does a good job of summarizing both of these points in an article he recently wrote about building a good Chaos list. While not the primary focus of his article this small bit below is a prime example of an experienced players’ approach to the two afor mentioned points.

“So, here’s what I am driving at. In order to stay competitive in 6th ed, you need to be able to do the following things in a true take all comers list:

  • Reliably score objectives. 5 of 6 missions are about taking objectives.
  • Take on light mech spam. MSU shooty mech lists are alive and well.
  • Take on hordes. You need to be able to fight Horde Orks, Gant Farms and horde infantry lists. We’re seeing a lot of no-vehicle lists doing quite well and they’ve always been great spoiler armies.
  • Take on heavy infantry. You also need a plan for dealing with Terminators, etc.
  • Counter Flyers. Air Force armies are everywhere right now, plan for them or be run over by them.
  • Counter Deathstars (yes, they still exist). Harliestar is still brutal, and Paladins, while diminished, are still a very real threat amongst some of the other crazy units out there.
  • Take on heavy vehicles. Leman Russes and similar beastly tanks are back in a big way, and if all you’ve got are Auto Cannons and Plasma Guns, kiss your butt goodbye.”

That is a lot of stuff to think about and it seems to be getting larger with each passing tournament, FAQ, and new codex. In the past, the best way to approach handling all of these possibilities was the “midrange” list. A “midrange” list is best described as covering every possible threat that might be encountered and answering every possible mission requirement. The cost for building this list is generally a lack of specialization in any one area (movement, shooting, close combat, trick units, trick tactic) and a lack of specific hard counters to opposing lists.

Here are a few core build around units that capture the essence of a midrange list in 5th edition and somewhat in 6th:

–          Grey Hunter. The perfect take-all-comers unit. They shoot pretty well against hordes, can take some decent anti-tank, pretty good cc ability against most stuff, pretty resilient with power armor, and they are easy on roster points pool. Spam them!

–          Purifiers. Another amazing jack-of-everything. They can shoot just about anything down, amazing cc ability, fearless, resilient in power armor, and not too expensive given their abilities. In fact, as with almost the entire GK codex under 5th, they were a little too good simply because they were a take-all-comer unit that could actually beat the crap out of highly specialized cc and shooting units in other books. Thus the much maligned wailing and gnashing of teeth at an 80% GK field at every tournament…

–          Anything with a bunch of rocket launchers. The perfect take-all-comers weapon. Kills most hordes, monstrous creatures, and power armored mooks. Once again, not too heavy on the “points” pocket book (unless you happen to be Codex Marines. Ouch!).

Let’s take a quick break and consider something I am NOT saying here: “These units are bad now.” Quite the contrary actually, these units are really, really, good still and I don’t see that changing for some time. Let’s not spam the post with trolling “Unit-power-arguments.” That is not the point of this article. We are keeping it general, remember?

So HERE is the big point I want to make: There are too manythings” (for lack of a better word) out there to make an effective “midrange” “take-all-comers” list under 6th. I would argue that those who stick to this standard will increasingly find their lists are not powerful enough in any one area to crush any particular list and will themselves be demolished by an increasing number of factors that they can no longer properly anticipate. Put another way, while the “midrange” list could easily cover all tournament eventualities under 5th, it is no longer broad enough to do this in 6th.  Doing “everything” so-so just isn’t enough anymore.

“How then should we tackle list building?” you may ask. Unfortunately, you may not like my answer but, in short, you have to make your best guess at the most powerful list you can put together given all the data at your disposal and hope you don’t get unlucky enough to meet your hard counter.

I said two things there I want to expound upon: “given all the data at your disposal…” AND “the most powerful list…”

The “most powerful list”, as I have already addressed, will not be able to take on everything. So what should it do then: Absolutely crush certain other lists! Tailor the list to give you a strong advantage towards certain types of armies. The concept here is not that your list only smashes one list; it can be tailored to crush a few different types quite easily. It should just not be so broad as to try and tackle everything.

The second thing I said “given all the data at your disposal” will take a considerable commitment to the community and reading of blogs and tournament reports. In order to tailor your “most powerful list” to crush the right things you have to make an assessment of the armies that you will be statistically most likely to see in the next competitive tournament. Knowing this type of stuff requires getting involved and doing research. There are tons of cool sites, good webcasts, and enlightening forum posts. Read up and jump in the middle of the 40K community.

A great example of these two concepts can be taken from the most recent “Feast of Blades” tournament. Guess what list people have their eye on right now? Chaos Daemons! Hmm. Guess what might show up at the next tournament en mass..  HMMMM. (I don’t want to get into whether there is a viable solution to this list right now, so don’t waste your spam on this blog. 6th is still developing) Hypothetically, you would build a list that absolutely crushes Daemons and (insert most popular meta-list here). Sure you might get absolutely demolished by (insert rare “niche” list here… IDK Grot Spam??) but you will most likely not face this list and if you do, well…. that just happens when you have a diverse and complex game and playing field. Sometimes you just get unlucky.

This concept is not new to competitive geek sports. I have been a Magic the Gathering player for a long time. Competitive MTG tournaments long ago entered into the realm where you should generally pick the battles against the decks that you expect to be in the majority and take your chances against the licks you will receive from the decks that hard counter you. I think it is great that 40K is reaching a point where we can enjoy such a multi layered complexity to our tournament scene.

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12 Responses to “Guest 40K Editorial by Facepuncher: Midrange Lists (And Why I Don’t Like them Anymore)”

  1. Darthdiggler November 4, 2012 4:52 am
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    I’m glad I read this. Your definition of a Midrange list is my definition of a Balanced list. You can it Midrange and I call it Balanced. I have been a fan of Balanced lists since back in 3rd edition and I have gotten them to work well since then. I also like to call the the Sea of Jizz lists because they have a tool for all the crap out there.

    I haven’t given up on them yet. Right now I think Necrons and Vanilla Marines have the best Midrange list possibilities. It requires thinking outside the box a little and not spamming units for the sake of spamming unit. As for Midrange lists I think e Necrons do it better at 1500pts and the vanilla marines get better at 1750-1850pts.

    As for Feast Of Blades, that tournament might be an aberration because it used a battle point system and not W/L. This rewarded tabling to much. Many of the Midrange lists will win consistently, but not by a wide margin.

    • Reecius
      Reecius November 4, 2012 10:55 am
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      I agree with you 100%. I really respect Facepuncher’s opinions as he is quite good at 40K, but I am all for the Midrange, or TAC (Take All Comers) lists. I think they are not only better when played at the expert level, but also more fun to play.

      • NickWenker November 5, 2012 11:33 am
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        This article was very pertinent to me because just yesterday I went to the monthly 40k tournament in Austin, this time with a 1250 space wolves-only version of my 1850 space wolves + dark angels list. Although it didn’t have the emergency CC ability of the 1850 list that has the 11 thundernators, it is still otherwise the epitome of the “midrange” list described in this article.

        What surprised me at the 1250 tournament was how many people brought “all or nothing” armies of the kind advocated in this article. Most of the opponents I played and the tables I saw nearby gave me the same reaction: “I am going to have a tough time versus this drop-pod spam/100-ork boy spam/daemon flying circus/etc….that list has absolutely nothing to stop it from being totally boarded by AV 14/fliers/hordes/whatever, but the eggs-in-one-basket approach means it will give my balanced list hell.”:

        I don’t know how I feel about this approach. I managed to win all my games again and took 3rd with my midrange list, but I can see how you can reason that it’s all luck of the draw anyway (not getting screwed by being versus horde orks or GKs on kill points round, etc.) In that case, why not just go balls to the wall on some gamble and hope you get some match-ups that will just let you win REALLY big instead of pulling out small wins?

        Something to think about.

  2. jy2
    jy2 November 4, 2012 6:50 am
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    Good article Facepuncher.

    It’s true that you have to take into consideration the pre-dominant competitive builds in tournaments nowadays, but for a “mid-range”, or balanced list, the adjustment should be fairly minor compared to some of the more extreme builds. The balanced list is less susceptible to rock-paper-scissors lists but will still have trouble against the more extreme builds. I feel that right now, in order to be successful, your balanced Take-All-Comer’s (TAC) list needs to specialize in a phase of the game, whether it be Movement, Shooting or even Assault. The more phases your army can handle (and handle well), the better it is. For example, the current GK TAC “midrange” every-man army (yes, it does spam the “troops”) has decent assault and very good shooting:

    Coteaz
    50-60x Strikers w/2 psycannons + psybolt
    2x dreadknights w/heavy incinerators
    1x psyfleman dread (if there are enough points left)
    ADL w/quad-guns

    Now if I expect the competitive meta to be mainly MSU or flyers, I can specialize my TAC list to be slightly more shooty by swapping out the dreadknights for psyflemans and perhaps a Divination inquisitor, but for the most part, I don’t feel that I need to. I already have more than enough shooting for most armies.

    • Reecius
      Reecius November 4, 2012 11:03 am
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      As usual, I agree with you, Jim. I think the best, or at least most consistent lists, will be these types of TAC armies. The extreme lists will win, but they are too match-up dependent for my taste. I prefer a reduction in pure offense in exchange for an increase in predictability.

  3. Kevon November 4, 2012 9:03 am
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    Really nice article. Pretty much exactly how I feel about the competitive scene right now. And I really like it!

    • Reecius
      Reecius November 4, 2012 10:58 am
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      Facepuncher is a good writer, and a good player. I really enjoyed this article as well, although I still hold out hope for the Midrange lists!

  4. David November 5, 2012 11:40 am
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    Hey Guys,

    Thanks for all the positive feedback on the article! I try to write interesting topics where I see them and this is some really good encouragement to keep it up.

    • Reecius
      Reecius November 5, 2012 12:39 pm
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      This was a really good one, nice work, buddy!

  5. ben November 7, 2012 4:49 pm
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    a bit late to the party here but this is one of the best articals i seen in a long time and should be more widely published. I look forward to more of these please

    • Reecius
      Reecius November 7, 2012 5:32 pm
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      Facebpuncher did a very good job with this one, I agree.

    • David November 8, 2012 9:16 am
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      Thanks man. That means a lot.