GW Grognard: Back on Top

Hey everybody! Adam, from TFG Radio, here to help wipe away those tears of joy (or pain depending on your perspective)

There has been a lot of talk lately. The new Space Marine codex, and its supplements, has caused quite a stir in the community. The new codex has brought new life into an army that was in the middle of the pack, in terms of power, and shot them to the top  very quickly. The codex, and the supplements, seem to allow players to play whatever style they want. They allow space marine player to easily compete with the other top lists. From first glance, looking at some of the supplements, it seems that they are a more forgiving army on the path to victory. One of my co-hosts called them “Plug and Play” and, in my opinion, have brought space marines back to where they used to be: A beginner’s army.

Everyone knows that the poster child for Warhammer 40,000 are the Space Marines. For most it is the images of the defenders of Humanity that first drew them in to the grim dark universe we know and love. Back in the day, if you were just starting out in 40K, you almost always started with a space marine army. They were a good all around army, but more importantly they were a very forgiving army. They allowed new players to make mistakes and still be in the game. in the hands of a very good player, they were tough to beat. Lately though the might space marine had fallen on hard times. Although  they had a bit of a resurgence when the Battle Company detachment was introduced in 7th edition, the space marines have been hovering around the mid tables for the last few years.

Only 110 points!!!!!

Now that’s all going to change. With these new codex and supplements, space marines are back at the front of the pack. They are once again an army you can start with and still stay in the fight no matter what bad decisions* you make. Now I know not all space marine books are equal. Ravenguard appear to need some finesse if you plan on  playing them but if you really just want an easy go of it, just play Iron Hands or Ultramarines. You could even be the space marine killers and play White Scars, since the Space Wolves aren’t up to the task anymore. It does seem bleak, I must admit. It looks like the space marines have everything going for them. All the best rules, all the best stratagems, and a codex where no model is useless. They even went under the radar in the Big FAQ that was just released, what a lucky codex. Yup, this is something we have never seen before. We have never seen an army with so many special rules and tricks that they flip the game on it’s head. Nope, never seen anything like this before. I can’t remember a time when something like this has happened. I really can’t think of anything. . . . . . . . . . .

Except Ynnari. For those that don’t know(or remember), they were introduced during the Gathering Storm Campaign books. They can be found in the Fracture of Biel tan book, which introduce the Triumvirate of Ynnari special characters that everyone uses, except the Visarch the poor guy. The rules at the time were crazy and seemed to break every rule in the game in some way. They had the ability to do actions during each phase of both turns as long as something died. in a six turn game, they got 20 turns, or so it seemed like it. During the Las Vegas Open, I believe 5 of the 6 armies in the top eight were Ynnari. So for those that lived through the Age of Ynnari, this is no different. We will weather this storm, as we did the last, and the game will be back to the slightly off balanced game we know and love. It will only take an edition change, followed by 2 years worth of attempts to balance them. It’ll be fine, trust me.**

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** Just like GW said to trust them


About Adam

Adam, aka Latin Gandalf, has been gaming since the early eighties and has played 40K since Rogue Trader (among a number of other games). He listens to more podcasts than any healthy person should and is currently the host for TFG Radio. He also is judges for LVO and head judges other major 40K Grand Tournaments.

14 Responses to “GW Grognard: Back on Top”

  1. Reecius September 28, 2019 7:43 am #

    I agree, adam. The sky is not falling.

  2. steven pampreen September 28, 2019 7:53 am #

    Yeah, and that super sucked when everyone ran ynnarri.

    The sky isn’t falling but this is how a game stops growing if one faction is undeniably better.

    You just compared it to the end of 7th when tournaments were struggling to fill up and cynicism was at its height.

    Just look at GWs stock at the end of 7th compared to now, not exactly the comparison you want to elicit.

    • Reecius September 28, 2019 8:33 am #

      Yeah, 7th was a mess at the end.

      • steven pampreen September 28, 2019 8:59 am #

        And he just said that space marines is no different than end of 7th ynnarri. I don’t understand how this isn’t the worst comparison possible.

        Just wild to say “remember when everything was at it’s worst, it’s that bad again, but the sky isn’t falling”

        • Hundog September 29, 2019 3:39 am #

          I agree that it is a bad comparison, but also because I think it is an overreaction. iron hands seem to be broken because of FW and some rules clarifications and tuning are required. Other SM armies are strong but not OP imo.

          Also regarding the turning dreads into characters stratagem, people conveniently misinterpret the “after nominating a warlord” part, to make it reusable, when imo the intention was always a single usage stratagem.

          But hopefully in their upcoming FAQ for iron hands and raven guard, GW will balance some things, although their FAQ released yesterday pretty much said they don’t want to do any balancing before CA, so… yeah…

          • Reecius September 29, 2019 11:24 am

            I actually think the FW IH stuff isn’t going to be the most potent (although some of it will be very strong indeed) but the IH flyer army will be super nasty.

        • Reecius September 29, 2019 11:23 am #

          I wasn’t saying Marines are like end of 7th, lol, where are you getting that from?

          • steven pampreen September 30, 2019 4:50 am

            You didn’t but that’s what the article is referring to when it talks about ynnarri getting released. I think the author jumps a year later when referring to LVO results.

            For once, I think Forgeworld isn’t the issue. unkillable stormtalons and repulsars are much more of an issue and don’t need to go outside of codex.

  3. Vipoid September 29, 2019 6:26 am #

    ” in my opinion, have brought space marines back to where they used to be: A beginner’s army.”

    Yeah, not buying it. Sorry.

    Surely an army for beginners should be, you know, simple.

    ‘So where are the rules for Space Marines?’
    ‘Well let’s see, you’ve got your first codex, your index, your second codex, your supplemental subfaction books…’

    • BluejayJunior October 1, 2019 10:59 am #

      Except it’s not.
      Where are your rules? In this handy new codex. There is also a supplement for you if you would like. Done. 1-2 books. Nobody starting the game now cares about the index or the first codex.

  4. Zweischneid September 29, 2019 6:48 am #

    Ynnari were never especially broke in the RAW game.

    If you played with GW ruins without silly LOS-Block house rules, Spears and Reapers couldn’t hide and were usually dead long before you scored Eternal War missions.

    The Ynnari-scare was almost entirely an Artefakt of ITC tinkering with the published win/lose conditions of the game.

    • Reecius September 29, 2019 11:21 am #

      Lol, what?

      You are so very, very wrong on that count, friend. The data proves you dead wrong. Ynnari were not the result of an ITC ruling but had just straight up broken mechanics and that was in every format, lol.

      They continued to dominate even after their third nerf, haha, and the only army to rise up to that level was the Casetllan/Guard/BA list at the height of it’s power.

      • steven pampreen September 30, 2019 4:51 am #

        Yeah, ynnarri murdered everyone in ETC as much as in ITC. I don’t get this viewpoint.

    • abusepuppy September 29, 2019 6:34 pm #

      Yeah, in the core rules there was no way to block line of sight, that’s not even a thing in the game.


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