GW Grognard: Time to be a Big Boy

Hey everyone! Adam, from TFG Radio, here with another nugget of mind gold!*

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Games Workshop is constantly evolving in terms of their model kits. Many of their kits from the early days are vastly different in quality, and size, compared to models produced today.  There are many models in the line that need to be redone, I’m not here to talk about that. Eventually Games Workshop will get to your favorite model or unit. I am still waiting for a new sculpt for baby Abby and his little kid arms. What needs to be addressed is the issues that come up when a new model is released, especially when the new model is a much different size than the previous version. When a new model is released that is a much different size, then you should buy the new model as soon as possible, if you plan on playing in any tournaments.

Someone took this “Bloodthirster” to BAO 2015**

In most cases, the difference in size is not that big of an issue. It’s really just a few millimeters and doesn’t have a big impact on the game. However, there are a few models that have a large difference in size. The main culprit of this are the Greater Deamons of Chaos. The newer models are almost three times the size of the models that they replaced. As a result, the model can greatly effect a person’s tabletop experience depending on which model you are using. The smaller models allow it to hide easier and thus be less susceptible to being shot. the smaller bases, although diminishing any auras that it may have, allow the model to move through ruins a little easier. the longer you wait to get the correct model, some people may see you as “modeling for advantage”. This can cause a lot of conflict, both during and outside of the game, and can actually affect your reputation in the community.

Hopefully we get a new model soon

I know that Games Workshop models are expensive. I once was able to get 3 rhinos for $20, but that was almost 30 years ago. There are many ways to get the latest models. There are sites that will give you cash, or store credit, for trade in s for that new model. There are plenty of places that give discounts, or have sales, on plenty of product in their store. You could even save up the money and purchase the new model later, especially if its for a large event coming up. Most events will give you some leeway in terms of when you should have the newest model. In regards to the greater daemons, however, you should be using them now. there is really no excuse at this point. The last greater deamon model, the Great Unclean One, was released in early 2018. So get out there and stop using your old greater daemons as such. They have been demoted to daemon princes, and will probably see more use as such, but that’s a topic for another day.

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About Adam

Adam, aka Latin Gandalf, has been gaming since the early eighties and has played 40K since Rogue Trader (among a number of other games). He listens to more podcasts than any healthy person should and is currently the host for TFG Radio. He also is judges for LVO and head judges other major 40K Grand Tournaments.

10 Responses to “GW Grognard: Time to be a Big Boy”

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    bonesaww666 December 29, 2018 9:09 am #

    Ive actually been considering making my Rhino’s True Scale to my now primarus sized berzerkers, using Landraiders for them and a Baneblade for my Landraider…

    But it makes them far better LoS blockers, which i feel could be misconstrued as modelling for advantage…

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      Adam December 29, 2018 11:11 am #

      Back in 3rd edition, there was a guy that was able to model the original rhino with 10 space marines inside. I wish I could find that picture

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    WestRider December 29, 2018 10:55 am #

    I tried to get a jump on them with a Great Unclean One converted from a Maggoth Lord. Unfortunately, they leapfrogged me with the new GUO kit, that towers over my conversion by almost as much as the conversion overshadows the metal one.

    I’m more confident that my VerminLord-based Keeper of Secrets conversion will hold up. But less confident that it will get good rules at any point before our sun turns into a red giant.

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      Adam December 29, 2018 11:12 am #

      Yeah, I have the FW Keeper and hope it’s around that size. I am thinking of building a slaanesh force but I am also worried about the rules, if they change them.

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    Rob Butcher December 29, 2018 2:06 pm #

    There is no requirement from GW to actually replace any earlier models !! Try listening to what they say, rather than speaking instead of them. Free speech is fine, but not if you are uninformed.

    This is a modelling hobby and GW appreciate not everyone can afford to update every model. Requirements start at organised tournaments at Warhammer World, were they write the rules and play-test the Codex. They also appreciate that most don’t go to tournaments … two million customers + a year, yet only 10k played competitively last year (7.8 k in itc).

    So the reasons for updating every model are …. ??? Simply profits for any particular retailer ???

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      Ujayim December 29, 2018 3:30 pm #

      I’m convinced you’re 100% a troll based on your normal posts, but I’ll humor you.

      Let’s use a single example of a Lord of Change.

      The original model is on what, a 40mm or 50mm circle?

      The new model is enormous, and has updated rules to match it’s kit. (They’re bad, but that besides the point)

      If someone showed up to a /TOURNAMENT/ with that model, and claimed it was being use as a Lord of Change, I would challenge my opponent on that. Because they are now, on purpose or otherwise, modeling for advantage by virtue of using an old model with a third the size profile.

      At the end of the day if we’re engaging in a standardized format where everyone is trying to play on an open field, then expect to bring the most recent model within reason. I’d even accept an original Lord of change on a large base, if it’s profile was similar.

      The argument of “can’t afford to update” is cute and all, but the people who can’t afford to update their models probably should not be pursuing this as a /STRICTLY COMPETITIVE HOBBY FOR TOURNAMENTS/ since it’s undeniably a somewhat expensive one.

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        Adam December 29, 2018 8:48 pm #

        Yes, this is more or less focused on the competitive side. You can do whatever you want with your narrative and open play.

        This is also an editorial. Did you want me to explain what that means, Rob?

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    Bryan December 29, 2018 8:34 pm #

    Let’s talk about the real problem. Base size. I know people who are rebasing miniatures back to the miniatures original smaller bases. Looking at you ork boy. Can we as a community require models to play as though they are on their current base. i.e. orks fighting 2 ranks deep instead of 4.

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      Adam December 29, 2018 8:49 pm #

      I agree, and can’t wait for GW’s 40K basing chart. If it ever does show up

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        Dakkath December 29, 2018 9:08 pm #

        It really needs to just be part of each entry’s datasheet.

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