Chapter Tactics #72: Discussing the Competitive Merits of the ITC Hobby Track

Chapter Tactics is a 40k podcast which focuses on promoting better tactical play and situational awareness across all variations of the game. Today Sean and Petey talk to the 2nd Best Overall at the LVO about the ITC Hobby Track, and being competitive (and still fun) in Narrative events.

Show Notes:

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12 Responses to “Chapter Tactics #72: Discussing the Competitive Merits of the ITC Hobby Track”

  1. tywinning July 3, 2018 12:14 pm #

    even thou there is no incontrol i still give this chapter tactics ……..4 outta 5 low riders . thanks petey pab for the hobby centric episode !

    • Reecius
      Reecius July 3, 2018 1:01 pm #

      4 out of 5 Low Riders ,haha, nice!

  2. Jake July 4, 2018 1:34 pm #

    Is it standard practice in the US for people who had their army commission painted to be considered for painting/best army prizes? Got to say, as someone who spends hundreds of hours getting an army ready for a tournament, I’d be really pissed off if someone who’d had theirs done by someone else came in and pipped me to a prize

    • VIth July 6, 2018 7:01 am #

      As someone living in the US, I totally agree. I have no idea why you can’t simply make it so that the army has to be painted by the same person who will receive the score. If people are caught lying, ban them. Pretty simple. More than a little interesting that the people pushing for this have their own paint studio. Who’d have guessed?

      • Reecius
        Reecius July 6, 2018 7:09 am #

        Lol, it’s not about us having a paint studio. We’ve talked about it at length but it’s not as simple as you make it sound, Vith. Those types of solutions don’t really work. You don’t want to set people up to fail.

        If you disallow people from having commissioned armies from getting anything for it, you remove the incentive to get your army painted in the first place and now you have less nice looking armies at events, for one.

        For two, a lot of people already have commissioned armies so you piss all of them off, too. It’s too late for them to go a different route.

        For three, all of the commission painters in the game also enter their own stuff in competition. In the 8 years we’ve been running events now, we’ve NEVER had a commissioned army win the top spot. It’s always been a commission painters’ own army. So yes, the “pros” tend to win but doesn’t that make sense, lol? Long story short, if you aren’t good enough to beat the commission painters then it is a moot point because you are going to be competing with them regardless if the army is the one they are playing with or not.

        At the local level, sure, it may make sense to say: hey everyone, we’re only giving prizes for those of you who painted your own armies. There, you compete with the same group of people week in and week out. However, again, you don’t want to turn people away from your event so be mindful to talk to everyone about it, too. That is why the ITC is always about providing guidelines, not mandates. That way local organizers can do what makes sense for their events.

        We’re keeping an eye on how things develop this year as it’s new and see how it goes. So far though, to my knowledge all of the top hobbyists have painted their own stuff.

        • Michael Corr
          Michael Corr July 6, 2018 7:21 am #

          It’s a difficult one, as you said. You want to reward the effort people put into getting an army done, but don’t want to punish the commission painters. A lot of the events here ask if you painted the army yourself when looking at nominations and judging paint scores.

          I’m surprised you had time to reply Reece, you’ve got a lot of conspiracies you need to keep an eye on and ticking over. By the way, how are your attempts to block the release of plastic Sisters of Battle going 😉

          • Reecius
            Reecius July 6, 2018 7:27 am
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            Lol, my evil plot is spoiled! Where’s Reecio when you need him =P

            But jokes aside, yeah, it is a complex situation. I understand the idea that you want to compete with the person that painted the army but it isn’t really realistic to do and regulate. People were saying you have to have pictures of yourself painting your army and all kinds of crazy stuff, lol.

            And again, it isn’t a reward for effort. It’s a reward for appearance. Beyond the fact that it is impossible to measure effort, you could have a situation where someone worked hundreds of hours on an ugly army and someone else effortlessly painted a beautiful army. It’s not the metric to focus on.

            The system we are looking at is crediting the painter but letting the owner keep the prizes. So, if you got your army painted by Studio X it is free advertising for them and I can see a situation where the top players have studios seek them out to paint their stuff for them as a way to ride that popularity and get exposure for their business. Sort of like race cars or something similar. The “pro painted” army isn’t going away so it is better to find a way to work it into the system than to try to create a system that excludes them. We’re just being realistic about it.

  3. Jake July 4, 2018 1:44 pm #

    Is it standard practice in the US for people who had their army commission painted to be considered for painting/best army prizes? Got to say, as someone who spends hundreds of hours getting an army ready for a tournament, I’d be really annoyed if someone who’d had theirs done by someone else came in and pipped me to a prize

    • abusepuppy July 6, 2018 10:33 am #

      Does the painter who spent hundreds of hours on the commission not deserve the prize just as much?

  4. Cy July 6, 2018 12:48 pm #

    Oh come on Pablo, you could photobomb signals. They love you. 🙂

    • abusepuppy July 7, 2018 7:52 am #

      dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttt

  5. Carl Tuttle July 8, 2018 12:06 am #

    I think you really misrepresented Colin Wards display board by saying it was just a flat board. Here it is :

    http://www.greenstuffworld.com/creative/en/projects/288/#Demon-army-display-with-a-Rolling-pin

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