Chapter Tactics #44: What We Learned About the 40k 8th Ed Meta from the Socal Open

Chapter Tactics is a 40k podcast which focuses on promoting better tactical play and situational awareness across all variations of the game. Today PeteyPab recaps the SoCal Open top 8 results and breaks down some numbers about the factions and lists that were used. He also talks about the state of the meta after the SoCal open, and the future of the game going into the final stretch of the ITC season.

Show Notes:

  • Click here for a link for information on downloading best coast pairings app where you can find lists for most of the events I mentioned.
  • Chapter Tactics is back! With Weekly episodes and a lot of tactical insight, this is your place for all things 40k in 8th edition.
  • Check out the last episode of Chapter Tactics here. Or, click here for a link to a full archive of all of my episodes.
  • Want more tactical information about the new edition? Check out our 8th Edition article archive to help get a leg up on the competition!



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About Petey Pab

Aspiring 40k analyst, tournament reporter and Ultramarines enthusiast, Petey Pab only seeks to gather more knowledge about the game of 40k and share it with as many people as he can in order to unite both hobbyists and gamers. We are, after all, two sides of the same coin.

31 Responses to “Chapter Tactics #44: What We Learned About the 40k 8th Ed Meta from the Socal Open”

  1. Amir Hayek
    Arabviking November 5, 2017 9:58 pm #

    Sorry Pablo, but I gave up after the 10th tenth I heard the trial programs message you used: CREATED WITH FREE VERSION FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE”
    The topic is nice and all, but that message is just soo annoying ;_;

    • Amir Hayek
      Arabviking November 5, 2017 10:00 pm #

      Tenth time I heard*

    • Petey Pab
      Petey Pab November 5, 2017 10:14 pm #

      Thank you guys. I’ll re-upload.

      It’s always hard finding good free converting software

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    Galagad911 November 5, 2017 10:09 pm #

    Created with free version for non commercial use!

  3. Petey Pab
    Petey Pab November 5, 2017 10:42 pm #

    Ok guys, audio is fixed.

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    donthemagnificent November 5, 2017 10:44 pm #

    great job Pablo! Is there any way you can get rid of that woman’s voice that says “created firfree for commercial use” every 2 minutes?

    • Petey Pab
      Petey Pab November 5, 2017 11:02 pm #

      Hey Don, she’s gone now.

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    rvd1ofakind November 6, 2017 2:43 am #

    That intro though

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      rvd1ofakind November 6, 2017 3:07 am #

      Reece, Geoff and Pete seem like the best possible guests.

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    rvd1ofakind November 6, 2017 7:48 am #

    Speaking of “is this a x list or a soup list”. I think 1500 of the primary is the cut off point. 1001 pts of Grey Knights and 999 pts of Astra Militarum is NOT a Grey Knights list. If it was 1001 grey knights and 500 AM and 499 SM, then maybe. But right now, it’s soup. 100%

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      Laurence November 6, 2017 10:41 am #

      It’s probably not that cut and dry, but agree with your sentiment. If only 2/3 or 3/4 of your list is grey knights, it’s still a soup army

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    Cephalobeard November 6, 2017 8:33 am #

    Pablo, I’d love to listen. However, the ads on the FLG page make it physically impossible to listen without downloading (Which I can’t do at work.)

    They play CONSTANTLY on the page, cannot be muted, and only make sound when your podcast is playing. It’s unfortunate. I look forward to listening in a few days.

    • Reecius
      Reecius November 6, 2017 9:48 am #

      What ads are you talking about? None of ours play audio.

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        Cephalobeard November 6, 2017 10:09 am #

        These. Right hand side. Both play audio, can’t be paused, can’t be muted. They also force the scroll back up to them every few seconds, making even commenting difficult.

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          abusepuppy November 9, 2017 2:44 am #

          Get you self an adblocker, man.

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    Chuck November 6, 2017 11:09 am #

    Petey Pab, great show, but one small critic. You missed 2 of the Primaris Psykers in Brandon Grant’s list (for a total of 7, with 2 or 3 Astropaths). Which puts it in the realm of “Smite Spam.” You also speak dismissively about players with Malific Lords in the podcast. (Astropath’s are a cheap way of getting your powers out while you save your Primaris to use Smite.)

    To me, it sounds like Brandon Grant is being “lion-izing” at the expense of his opponents, who uses a similar form of “economical firepower”.

    Not a big deal, but I just wanted you to be aware.

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      rvd1ofakind November 6, 2017 11:51 am #

      Pablo praising Imperium lists, yet shunning Chaos? Pfffffffffffffffft. That’d never happen :p

    • Petey Pab
      Petey Pab November 6, 2017 12:47 pm #

      Hey, I mentioned primaris psykers as op staples that you would see in any imperium list towards the end of the podcast!

      Also, my bad about missing the other 2. Though I think 5 still drove the point home. I promise i’ll try harder to whine about the broken shit the imperium faction gets too.

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      Wulfey November 6, 2017 4:20 pm #

      Brandon was actually playing 9 Primaris Psykers and 3 Astropaths. 2 in each Battalions plus the 5 in the Supreme Command. He was also playing the 2 Culexus Assassins to take out his opponent’s psykers so there would be less Deny the Witch as well. He was going for full Psychic Phase domination.

      Can you elaborate more on the “lion-izing” statement? Not sure I understand what you mean there

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        Chuck November 6, 2017 10:04 pm #

        Petey Pab was speaking favorably of one smite list while looking down at others. This gives the appearence that Brandon is in a special class, as apposed to those dirty “malefic lord taking” players.

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          Wulfey November 7, 2017 7:38 pm #

          Oh gotcha. Yeah, Smite Spam seems to be ubiquitously hated. I just don’t think that GW realized how good smite could be when you’re able to feasibly take 5+ of them for cheap.

          The Malefic Lords are obviously way better than Primaris Psykers, but even so, I’m not sure GW wants that strategy to be viable at all. I’m guessing we will see something to adjust this playstyle in Chapter Approved.

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            Jimbojones November 8, 2017 6:23 am

            Did I tell you guys I played a game vs someone with arkesas’ressus’keros, 50brimstones changeling and 14 mealific lords?


            Everything of mine e just died. Prolly the least fun 40k I played in 8 th

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            abusepuppy November 9, 2017 2:41 am

            The Lord is certainly better than the Primaris, but they both sit solidly in the same class of psykers that are far, far cheaper than they have any right to be. I don’t know what GW was thinking, reducing the price of the Primaris from the index to the codex.

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    bogalubov November 6, 2017 11:40 am #

    The worst part about 7th edition was formations. It allowed for creating silly combinations of units from a fluff perspective and to spam the best units most efficiently. It seemed like 8th was set to back away from that approach, only for the designers to give us a way to create our own silly formations.

    The refrain remains “If my opponent had 1 or 2 of unit X, it would be manageable.” Until army design is limited to one detachment we’ll see these conclaves of malefic lords and primaris psykers.

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      bogalubov November 6, 2017 11:49 am #

      test reply

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      Jural November 6, 2017 12:32 pm #

      At lest all armies get the same detachments tho… the random, uneven nature of formation was baffling

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        punchymango November 6, 2017 8:06 pm #

        For every formation of 3-5 shitty units lead by a shitty HQ, there was the corresponding “take 3 duplicates of something that’s already great, and here’s a bonus on top!”

        That was the part I could never fathom. Did nobody understand what things like the Aspect Shrine or Riptide Wing were going to do to the game?

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          abusepuppy November 9, 2017 2:43 am #

          They really didn’t. GW in the late-5th to mid/late-7th era really believed that tournament play was completely irrelevant to the “real” game and that imbalance in the rules didn’t matter because players didn’t actually care.

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    Dylan Campiotti November 6, 2017 3:08 pm #

    Created with free version for non commercial use!

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    Dylan Campiotti November 6, 2017 3:09 pm #

    sorry it had been awhile and i started to miss it!

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    NC November 8, 2017 2:46 am #

    Too bad every year you FLG GUYS always pull out of the Renegade at the last minute.

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