Chapter Tactics #24: How to Compete as the Underdog Faction in 40k


Today PeteyPab and Lawrence from Tabletop Tactics talk tips, tricks, and tactics underpowered 40k factions can use to compete against top factions on the tabletop. This episode might not make your Harlequin army win a large GT, but it will help you compete against “Net Lists” and Cheese.

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About Petey Pab

Aspiring 40k analyst, tournament reporter and Ultramarines enthusiast, Petey Pab only seeks to gather more knowledge about the game of 40k and share it with as many people as he can in order to unite both hobbyists and gamers. We are, after all, two sides of the same coin.

14 Responses to “Chapter Tactics #24: How to Compete as the Underdog Faction in 40k”

  1. Stilgar March 18, 2017 3:23 pm #

    Good episode. I enjoyed the coverage of some of the lesser seen armies.

  2. Dakkath March 18, 2017 11:01 pm #

    Speaking of running popular armies without the cheese, how about tau without stormsurges or riptide wing?

    • Peteypab March 19, 2017 6:55 am #

      Good point! In short, Kroot! Also single obsec, missile crisis suits are annoying.

      • Dakkath March 19, 2017 11:05 pm #

        How about troop crisis squads with 2 missile suits and 3 gun drones? 5 bodies, 7 wounds, 4 autocannon-strength guns, majority armor 4+ vs grav.

        • abusepuppy March 20, 2017 3:49 am #

          Yes but also 140pts of Leadership 8.

          Also Grav will still murder 4+ armor guys (75% wound rate.)

          • Dakkath March 20, 2017 11:08 am

            140 pts of leadership 8 vs 105 pts of leadership 8 for a tac squad with a grav cannon. I dunno, seems doable. Sadly due to said grav cannons I can’t really even consider any of the shorter range crisis specials.

          • abusepuppy March 20, 2017 12:05 pm

            Tactical Squads that fail a morale check regroup automatically and can still fire their weapons at full Ballistic Skill.

            Crisis suits that fail a morale check are useless for a turn, and possibly just running off the table entirely.

  3. Zero-charisma March 19, 2017 6:39 am #

    Great work as always! Although it would have been interesting to hear you really get into some of the units for some of those armies a little more…and dont be forgetting my blood angels!!

    • Peteypab March 19, 2017 6:54 am #

      Yeah, this is certainly a topic I want to address in the future. Each faction may even have their own episode…

  4. Darthdiggler March 19, 2017 6:40 pm #

    Deathwatch CAD

    HQ – Artemis
    EL – 2 terminators, 2 cyclone missiles
    EL – 2 terminators, 2 cyclone missiles
    TR – 5 vets, 3 frag cannons, storm shield, auspex, pod
    TR – 5 vets, 3 frag cannons, storm shield, auspex, pod
    TR – 5 vets, 5 shotguns, pod
    TR – 5 vets, 5 shotguns, pod
    FA – 5 bikes, 5 power mauls


    5 Devs, 4 multimeltas, pod
    5 Devs, 3 Grav Cannons, pod
    5 Assault marines
    5 Assault marines

    Not to shabby of an alpha strike that can turn into a beta strike if needed. Little termie squads play hide and seek at long range with 4 missile shots each. Bikes are not to shabby in assault. Shotguns go for the wee little folk. Not earth shattering, but its competitive.

  5. Grizzyzz March 20, 2017 3:59 am #

    Woah! SMS is the best weapon in 40k… I don’t understand what you mean they are “ok” 😀

    Side note — As a Tau player, I actually really dislike the current Tau meta. It is extremely not fluffy, and boring to play. I jumped on the riptide wing, surge combo and every game is essentially exactly the same. I am now back running my Farsight CAD, Maxed troop slots of crisis and breacher teams. Only 1 riptide!

    • Shas'Itsa Mari'o March 20, 2017 11:57 am #

      Right there with you although I still love all the big suits. A fun list that gets the crisis suits in the list is the Retaliation Cadre plus Optimized Stealth Cadre build. Hold on for turn one until the cavalry arrived

  6. Chris March 20, 2017 12:48 pm #

    This was an interesting one since I play orks, militarum tempestus, and dark eldar. I definitely go for those power armies.

  7. Puck March 21, 2017 12:18 am #

    The Renegade Open wishes the Crucible GT good luck with their event this year, and for years to come.

    Let us know how it went!

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