Signals from the Frontline #425

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This episode, we’re breaking down the mighty Tau Stormsurge! How to play with it and against it! Join us for the live show at 11am, PST on our Twitch channel!

 

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4-18-16

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Tactics Corner

  • Stormsurges: tactics with and against!
    • Gargantuan Creature, 360pts
    • WS 2, BS 3, S 6, T 6, W 8, I 2, A 2, Ld 9, Sv 3+
    • Pulse Blast Cannon
    • Twin Smart Missile Ssystem
    • Cluster rocket system
    • 4 D Missiles
    • Twin Flamer
  • OPTIONS
    • Up to 2 more Stormsurges
    • Swap the Flamer for a twin Burst Cannon, or twin fragmentation projector
    • Swap the Pulse blastcannon for a Pulse Driver Cannon
    • May take up to 3 support systems.
  • Playing with Stormsurges:
    • Most frequently run with the Pulse Driver Cannon, but the pulse blastcannon is not bad if you play them aggresively.
    • ALWAYS take the Shield Generator for the 4++. ALWAYS. It effectively doubles the number of wounds the Stormsurge has for a very reasonable points investment. With it, it takes an average of 24 Ap3+ wounds dealt to the Surge to kill it as opposed to 12.
    • Rarely drop your anchors! It’s better to stay mobile and assault. Played properly, you will only drp anchors in very specific circumstances such as when facing opponents you can’t stomp.
    • Play the Surges very aggressively. Stomps are the most powerful weapon in the game and Surges do it well as they are very durable, making it very likely they will survive to stomp. A few lucky 6’s and even the most powerful Deathstar is dead meat.
  • Playing against Stormsurges:
    • If you have weapons that can inflict instant death, D attacks, etc. those are the tool for use against Stormsurges as you both deny FnP, you also deal multiple wounds to them.
    • If you can tarpit them, do so. A large, fearless unit is great for this, especially if the Stomps aren’t too devastating.
    • Model placement is very important. You want to put all of your most powerful melee weapons on one of the Surges to avoid letting them bounce wounds back and forth between them in melee each alternating player turn.
    • Small arms fire does work against them, and if you apply it all game, you will wear them down.
    • Alternatively, you can simply do your best to ignore them, killing the rest of the army and simply trying to contain the Surges. Destroy their Marker Lights and you really reduce their ability to destroy your army with shooting. Move block the Surges with throw away units, and you can really much up their plans.

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Maybe the sauce of AFS isn’t trying some wonky drop assault? Good players will give you bad assaults to work with that leave you flapping in the breeze. Is it possible that the sauce is simply 3 dirty birds coming in turn 1, loaded to the gills with S8-9, AP1-2 weaponry and 30 obsec marines, then guiding in tons of Assault Marine melta shots and having tons o’ scoring?

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16 Responses to “Signals from the Frontline #425”

  1. Requizen
    Requizen April 18, 2016 11:13 am
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    Necron player here, ready to get those Renegade Knights and have a passable LoW option! Not sure how to kit one out, yet. Double guns seems the way to go, but gets expensive. Stock for Assault seems to be ok if you’re going shooting heavy Necrons (fits in nicely with a Destroyer Cult), but there are a lot of Assault options nowadays that can wreck it – Wraithknights, Superfriends star, etc.

    Very excited to finally have a big stompy robot to go with my smaller, less stompy robots though! It was this or allying in Tau, and I’ll be damned if I become a dirty Tau player haha!

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 18, 2016 11:36 am
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      Ha, we didn’t even consider the options it opened up for allies, good point!

      • Requizen
        Requizen April 18, 2016 1:17 pm
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        Since it’s the CSM allies matrix, it’s AoC with Necrons and Orks, making it a neat option for either. Both lack good Superheavies, or at least the ones they do have that are passable don’t quite measure up to IKs or WKs. While we can’t buff it with anything, having a Knight or 2 never hurts!

        • Reecius
          Reecius April 18, 2016 1:18 pm
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          Yeah, great point! I seriously had not thought about that.

    • abusepuppy April 18, 2016 1:25 pm
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      I would go with either single Avenger + Dsword (if your list wants some melee hitting power against stuff like Wraithknights and MCs) or Avenger + Avenger/Battle Cannon (depending on exactly which sort of guns your list actually needs.)

      The Avenger Cannon is pretty dang good, basically. Wipes most squads in a single volley, even with benefit of cover.

      The idea of sticking it into Tau or ‘Crons is actually pretty neat. Fuck you, Imps, we got our OWN robit now!

      • Requizen
        Requizen April 18, 2016 3:38 pm
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        A little harder for Tau since they’re Desperate Allies, but easier than the CtA Imperial Knights!

  2. Trueknight April 18, 2016 11:33 am
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    Just a suggestion ( i love the tactics idea/format btw) but include a list that includes the unit you are discussing and a list that has the tools to deal with the unit of discussion. I think that’ll add another layer on to the discussion.

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 18, 2016 11:37 am
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      Not a bad idea. The only concern is going over on time, we struggle to keep it near the half hour mark, but we could certainly look at including it in the notes.

      • Brutishcard April 20, 2016 6:11 am
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        I don’t think anyone would complain about that!

  3. Trueknight April 18, 2016 11:37 am
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    Also, show name suggestion Monday Morning Field General

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 18, 2016 11:38 am
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      Not bad!

  4. Sheit27 April 18, 2016 8:42 pm
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    Surprisingly I no longer advocate storm surges.

    while amazing, I don’t like trying to fill the close combat/midfield role with a unit that relies on rolling a 6 and can’t hold it’s own against another close combat monster.

    I think they’ve been surprisingly successful in a meta that has swiftly moved away from D str shooting/ sword and board wraith knights and more and more skathach wraithknights who don’t pose a threat to the surges.

    when not supported by markerlights a stormsurge doesn’t shoot much better than an ion tide and costs 200 more points.

    I’ve wondered if there is a real argument to be made if taking 3 ion/sms tides over each storm surge isn’t a better way to go when looking at firepower. lets face it, SMS spam is all that is really needed from Tau.

    anyways,

    I swapped my surge/markerlights out for a sword and board wraith knight, 2 scat bike squads, and a farseer.

    with rolling invisibility roughly 50% of the time, I’ve found that the 295 point model will preform the midfield/assault role better than the near 900 point stormsurge unit while freeing up quite a few points at the same time.

    and the added eldar jet bikes gives tau some movement/obj grabbing capability that they needed.

    The true hero of the Tau has to be the Y’vahra. It just hasn’t gotten the attention it deserves.

    -Steven H

  5. CNitram April 18, 2016 9:18 pm
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    Getting off work at midnight can occasionally spawn good ideas, resulting in my “Meta-Busting Mondays” suggestion, not CWW 😉

    Looking forward to more monday videos!

  6. ehegner April 19, 2016 5:54 am
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    Is ignoresays cover really that bad? It sound like codex like nids, orks, and dark eldar need an update. Weak codex doing bad against ignores cover isn’t that surprising.

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 19, 2016 7:27 am
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      Try playing on the receiving end of it, Ed. It is so unfun to simply pick up your models with no recourse. I think if you tried it out on the other end, it would give you a new perspective.

  7. Raverrn April 20, 2016 4:08 am
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    Forgot to mention one of the biggest vulnerabilities of Stormsurges – Blind. With I2 it’s a real easy way to neuter a lot of their firepower!