Signals from the Frontline #423: Defeating Warp Spiders

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Join us for the live show on Twitch, 11am PST by following this link! In this episode, we discuss ways to take down those pesky Eldar Warp Spiders!

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Defeating Warp Spiders

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The Warp Spider is the current bugaboo in 40k, and has disrupted the tournament meta quite a bit. These little buggers are quite the pain to deal with, but what makes them so good? How do you handle them when you face them on the tabletop? Listen to the show to find out!

  1. What are Warp Spiders?
    1. Stats, wargear and special abilities.
      1. 19ppm, 10points for Exarch
      2. 3+, Jet Pack Infantry, Death Spinner, Warp Jump Generator
      3. Ancient Doom, Battle Focus, Fleet, Hit and Run, Flickerjump, Iron Resolve
  2. What makes them so good?
    1. Powerful offense, morale control, mobility and powerful defense.
    2. Move 6″ or 6+2d6″ in the movement phase, D6″ or 6″ in the shooting phase, 2d6″ in the assault phase, and can opt to move 2d6″ in your turn after being declared as a target of a shooting attack.
    3. In the ITC/Adepticon format, Warp Spiders may only Flickerjump once per turn. In ETC format, they may jump infinitely.
  3. What are common tactics used with Warp Spiders?
    1. Typically seen in the Aspect Host, wherein they get either +1 BS or WS and must take the Exarch, although you ALWAYS take the Exarch, anyway.
    2. The other common tactic is to run a Warhost with the Pale Court core formation, within which is the Aspect Lord-shrine Craftworld trait to take Warp Spiders as the core requirement. These Warp Spiders do not gain the +1 WS or BS as in the Aspect Host and so it is important to notate them.
    3. Frequently Warp Spider players will run them with an Autarch and Deep Strike MSU units of them, often as many as 9 units of 5.
    4. Their weapons are very powerful, with 6’s to wound counting as AP2 (not vs. vehicles), and wounding vs. Initiative instead of Toughness.
  4. What should you do if faced with Warp Spiders?
    1. Don’t play their game.
    2. Melee is the best way to destroy them.
  5. What units/weapons are effective vs Warp Spiders?
    1. Barrage weapons are good.
    2. AP3 weapons that they cannot avoid easily with a Flicker Jump work very well.
    3. Weight of fire.
    4. AV13+ stops them cold.

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List for Review:

Tau list 1850pts

Ghostkeel Wing formation-753pts

1x Ghostkeel unit:

  • Ghostkeel with early warning override and twin-linked burst cannon
  • Ghostkeel with target lock and twin-linked burst cannon
  • Ghostkeel with target lock and twin-linked burst cannon

1x Ghostkeel unit:

  • Ghostkeel with early warning override, velocity tracker, and twin-linked fusion blaster

1x Ghostkeel unit:

  • Ghostkeel with early warning override, velocity tracker, and twin-linked fusion blaster

Drone Net XV1-0-224pts

  • 5x Marker Drone
  • 5x Marker Drone
  • 4x Marker Drone
  • 4x Marker Drone

Piranha Firestream Formation-845pts

  • Spotter Piranha-65pts with disruption pod and fusion blaster
  • unit of 4x Piranha all with fusion blasters and disruption pods-260pts
  • unit of 4x Piranha all with fusion blasters and disruption pods-260pts
  • unit of 4x Piranha all with fusion blasters and disruption pods-260pts

Total-1850pts

Tuesday Night Fight: Wolfstar vs. Double Stormsurge Tau! 5:30pm, PST, 4-12-16

Thursday’s Short form Battle Report: Tau Supremacy Suit vs. Eldar Revenant Titan!

Next Monday: Tactics for playing with and against Tau Stormsurges! 11am PST, 4-18-16

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32 Responses to “Signals from the Frontline #423: Defeating Warp Spiders”

  1. gvcolor April 11, 2016 12:38 pm
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    Blood & Plunder looks interesting, I guess there will be more info about it when the KickStarter goes live? In the 80’s Yaquinto Games published Swashbuckler, one playing board was inside a beer hall, and you could throw chairs and beer mugs at your opponent – good fun!

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 11, 2016 1:20 pm
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      That sounds awesome, lol

  2. RyanTSG April 11, 2016 2:56 pm
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    Liked the new Monday Format. Figured I would add that.

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 11, 2016 4:33 pm
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      Thank!

  3. Scotyknows April 11, 2016 6:53 pm
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    How does something like the current situation with warp spiders even get into the game. Wave serpents to warp spiders. 40k would be a lot better if the eldar just go away.

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 11, 2016 7:07 pm
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      GW writes rules to be flavorful I think, not overly concerned with game balance (at least, that is my perception of the situation). Eldar were very weak in 5th ed, then in 6th and 7th they exploded back on to the scene.

    • westrider April 11, 2016 7:18 pm
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      Mostly they’re just underpriced. Put WraithKnights at 100 Points more, bump pretty much everything else (You can leave the CC Units and Phoenix Lords alone) up by about 10% or so, and that’d probably bring them in line with the rest of the field pretty well.

      • abusepuppy April 11, 2016 9:51 pm
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        …And then Space Marines, Daemons, and Decurions would be kicking everyone’s teeth in instead. 😛

        • westrider April 11, 2016 10:25 pm
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          Yeah, it just lops off the little bit at the top, it doesn’t level the field as a whole.

          The point tho, was that the issue with Eldar isn’t that they have anything inherently game-breaking, just a lot of stuff that’s stupidly good for its cost. That makes them a lot simpler to bring in line than SM or Daemons, where the power of the lists is a bit more complex.

          • Vercingatorix April 12, 2016 7:36 am
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            yeah, forgetting a grimoire or it not going off, or an awful round of warp storm can make the whole army just fall apart. I feel like Eldar Armies don’t fall apart they just get less effective as you kill them in a linear scale. There’s no lynch pin to go for. If you kill the wraithknight its like, okay, now I just have a bunch of really good warp spider/obsec bikers to deal with. Nothing in the army really needs support.

          • Vercingatorix April 12, 2016 7:38 am
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            For decurion you can focus and kill the spiders so that the wraiths don’t get their buffs and now they’re much more reasonable. Battle company is more like eldar though in that it scales linearly, but even with them you can pop the rhinos and they become much less mobile if nothing else.

          • abusepuppy April 12, 2016 7:50 am
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            Eldar armies do have a significant weakness in terms of fighting reserve strategies- it is in no small part the existence of allies allowing them to bypass this weakness that makes the faction as strong as it is currently (although obviously Scat Bikes, Wraithknights, etc, would make them strong regardless.)

            The easy way to “bring in line” SM is incredibly simple- ban the Gladius. Without the Gladius, SM just aren’t very scary at all. But I don’t think that’s a good step any more than I think we should be fiddling with Eldar’s unit costs, because both of those are going to piss off a LOT of players.

          • Dakkath April 12, 2016 9:53 am
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            AP, I think you mean ban the Battle Company. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that the formation giving the free transports? Gladius, Talon, Scarblade, and various other strike forces just use it as the core requirement.

          • westrider April 12, 2016 10:12 am
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            The other issue with SM isn’t perhaps one of overall power, but Grav, as it currently stands, is incredibly harsh on a lot of things that might otherwise be decent, especially since SM also have easy access to Ignores Cover.

            Banning the Battle Company does do most of the job, tho.

          • abusepuppy April 12, 2016 8:55 pm
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            @Dakkath

            The Battle Company is not actually a formation, it is part of a rule in the Gladius Strike Force. Banning the Gladius, banning the Demi-Company, and removing that rule would all have the same functional effect.

      • ryan April 13, 2016 9:16 am
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        Lucky for eldar players you dont make rules as these ideas are flat out retarded.

        • abusepuppy April 13, 2016 9:18 am
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          Keep it classy, internets.

        • Reecius
          Reecius April 14, 2016 9:40 am
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          You can debate for sure, but FLG is not the comments section of YouTube, please be respectful to your fellow commentors.

  4. Duz_ April 12, 2016 1:44 pm
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    On another note it appears the podcast of this episode hasn’t been uploaded?

    What will I listen to on the way to work?

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 12, 2016 1:48 pm
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      Sorry it’s late, getting it uploaded, now.

      • Duz_ April 12, 2016 1:54 pm
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        Awesome, thanks!

        • Duz_ April 12, 2016 3:38 pm
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          New format is Tuesday night fight?

          Commute ruined by lack of comedic gold!

          • Reecius
            Reecius April 14, 2016 9:40 am
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            Sorry! Mariana accidentally uploaded the wrong audio track.

  5. william keys April 12, 2016 9:27 pm
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    Both the link in this page and the itunes feed are not the podcast, they are an audio of the last
    tiesday night fight! Emperor help us!

    • brent April 13, 2016 4:10 am
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      Seems the same for me…

      … I’m glad to see someone else said it.. I thought I was going insane.

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 14, 2016 9:40 am
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      Yeah, sorry about that, fixed now.

  6. zyekian April 13, 2016 11:55 am
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    When I play Harlies I have a lot of success against Warp Spiders. Harlies are only as afraid of Spider guns as much as lasguns, the monofilament rule doesn’t matter to them, and the Harlequin move-run-assault can catch them despite their hit-and-fade tactics.

    And the I10 Solitaire has no sh1ts to give about weapons that target initiative.

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 13, 2016 3:17 pm
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      Yeah, Harlies are great against them!

  7. CNitram April 13, 2016 2:03 pm
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    “Meta-Busting Mondays”

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 13, 2016 3:17 pm
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      Nice!

  8. Mac April 14, 2016 2:14 pm
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    Nice one guys as always. All this talk of spiders I cant be the only person desperate to see Reecius footdar back on the board.

    • Reecius
      Reecius April 18, 2016 12:15 pm
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      They should be done being painted very soon!