Dirty, Sneaky and EMO! TFO takes on the Talon Strike Force!

Salut tous le petit monde! It is I, the Frenchman, coming back to you with something sneaky, dirty and will terrorize (oh I know this could almost be the start of a cruel French joke! Too soon?).Be sure to check the Tactics Corner for more great articles.

I found a Reecius’s Talon Strike articles and bat repts inspiring and while I did a review on the Scarblade Detachment of my favorite SM Chapter, the White Scars. I wanted to see if I could test my mettle on List Building with the other SM codex that got a lot of love in the Damocles Campaign, the Ravenguard. I have a few friends from the Northwest which are pretty hardcore Ravenguard Players and I wanted to build a list that would be tactical, competitive, and fun to play against or with. So I put together this little gem.


Raptor Allied Detachment:

Lias Issodon – Warlord ( I will cover why he is in a Warlord in an Allied Detachment)

Scout Squad of 10 with Bolters.

Relic Scorpius Whilwind with the Battle of Keyek Legacy

Talon Strike Force:

Demi-Battle Company:

Captain with Artificer Armor, Thunderhammer, Auspex, Raven’s Fury

Tactical Squad of 5 with Meltagun, Combi-Melta in a Razorback w/ TL Assault Cannon

Tactical Squad of 5 with Meltagun, Combi-Melta in a Razorback w/ TL Assault Cannon

Tactical Squad of 5 with Meltagun, Combi-Melta in a Razorback w/ TL Assault Cannon

Assault Squad of 5 with 2 Flamers, 1 Meltabomb and Jump Packs

Devastator Squad of 5 with 2 Grav Cannon in a Rhino

Shadowstrike Kill Team:

Scout Squad of 5 with Sniper Rifles and Camo Cloaks

Scout Squad of 5 with Sniper Rifles and Camo Cloaks

Vanguard Squad of 5, 1 with Powerfist, 1 with Lightning Claws, 2 with Meltabombs and Jump Packs

Vanguard Squad of 5, 1 with Powerfist, 1 with Lightning Claws, 2 with Meltabombs and Jump Packs


Alright let me first clarify what I meant by Lias Issodon [FW has his Rule for free on Page 8 of this Link] as Warlord in an Allied Detachment by first going over who Lias Issodon is. He is the Chapter Master of the Raptors from the Badab War and he has a plethora of rules and mechanic that works great with the Talon Strike Force. He has a Chapter Master statline with 4 Wounds, he comes with a 2+ but no Invulnerable Saves, a Power Sword, Grenades, a named Bolter that is 30” Str 4 AP5 Salvo 2/4 that use Sternguard Ammo and finally he comes with a Locator Beacon which becomes important for some elements of the list. While his wargear is lackluster, he has a ton of special rules such as that he comes with Shrouding, the ability for his army to reroll reserve (success or fail), modifying enemy reserve rolls by -1, before the first game turn starts he can inflict D6+3 wounds to a unit with saves allowed or D3 Haywire hits to a Vehicle and finally his last rule is that Lias must always be the warlord and he starts the game with the Master of Ambush’s Strategic Warlord trait (Warlord gains Infiltrate and 3 Units of your choice). I interpret that last rule as overruling the Rulebook restriction on Warlord not being chosen from the Allied Detachment since Lias forces your hand. The Raptor Chapter tactics [Found here] grants all models Scout and Stealth on the first turn unless the models are bulky and if any Raptor unit stands still may choose to gain Rending on their Boltgun at cost of changing their firing type to heavy 1.

The Ravenguard chapter tactics grants you +1 on Night Fighting rolls as well as the ability to use Jump Packs for both movement and assault phase while also gaining the ability to reroll to wound rolls on Hammer of Wrath hits.

Most of everyone already knows the amazing benefits of Demi Battle Company which include every model in the formation gaining objective secured and the Tactical Doctrine.

The Shadowstrike Kill Team formation allows the Vanguard Squad to autopass any reserve rolls they take, it also allows them to charge on the turn they come in and finally if they enter the board within 9” of two Scout squad from the very same formation they do not scatter.


Now to explain why the Locator Beacon is important. If you have not seen Reecius’ article on the Talon Strike Force than let me recap to you the major benefits of it. It allows you to reroll deployment sides dice, reroll the dice to see who gets to choose to go first or second, your units in reserve can come turn 1 on a roll of a 4+ and finally you can choose to auto-fail morale tests. Those bonus are pretty great in unison with Lias which allows you to reroll your first turn reserve rolls, the fact that the Vanguard from the Shadowstrike Kill Team can enter on turn 1 and using Lias Locator Beacon or the scouts can accurately land and charge.

I envision using Lias Master of Ambush warlord trait to grant the Tactical Marines in the Battle Company Outflank (Through Infiltrate). I would place Lias in the Devastator to grant them Scout (or Outflank). This would effectively turn the army into a Pinion Company, since I could effectively start the entire army in Reserve and come in with a Rerollable 4+ (except the Raptor Tactical Squad) but I would prefer to deploy the Dev with Lias, the Raptor Scout Squad and the Scouts to allow me to effectively maximize my first turn pressure with the Vanguard and hopefully most of the rest of the army. The Captain will be attached to the Assault Squad since I consider him as mostly as a throwaway threat.


The tactical flexibility of maximizing your odds to pick your side and going first while retaining the ability to completely null deploy or having an army that can perform effective surgical strikes and mobile objective secured units. I think the army does not necessarily pack an extreme punch but it does have a lot of tricks and can really spring a trap on some opponents.


About Jeremy Veysseire

Long time Pacific Northwest Warhammer 40k player feared and loved by the masses of pluviophiles in Portland Oregon. Commonly known as the French Overlord or MikhailLenin, has participated in many cross USA tournaments for 40k. Now, relocated to the San Francisco Bay Area, he is looking to bring his terror down south,

20 Responses to “Dirty, Sneaky and EMO! TFO takes on the Talon Strike Force!”

  1. Bryan November 26, 2015 9:46 am

    I like the concept. Just a quick note though, I believe the Raptors now use the 1st bit of the current Raven guard chapter tactics, the shrouding and +1 to night fight, rather then the old scout and stealth. As Raptors use “strike from the shadows” as per the Raven guard chapter tactic rules.

    Someone emailed forgeworld and they clarified that Raptors should use the updated rule as per the new SM codex when it comes to strike from the shadows. Ofc that isn’t really official until FW update it them or FAQ it, but until then..

    • Jeremy Veysseire
      Jeremy Veysseire November 26, 2015 9:49 am

      In that case its up to the General on how to assign Infiltrate to his Devastator or Tactical Marines

  2. jpwyrm November 26, 2015 10:07 am

    Pas mal comme concept, j’aime bien 😉

    I think the wording for Lias would prevent him from being taken in an Allied Detachment, precisely because he has to be the Warlord. Does not matter that much in your build though since you could effectively take a normal CAD with minimum sized Scout Squads.

    Other than that, I like the concept, it’s really nice and it brings a lot of deployment flexibility along with some pretty good Special Rules. Why not use the Relic Lightning Claws on your Warlord? Since you’ll probably go after Infantry anyways, the Flurry SR would come in handy to rack up the wound counter and swiftly clear objectives.

    Again, excellent army concept, I might try it myself sometime!


    • Alex Yuen November 26, 2015 11:21 am

      I don’t think that will prevent him from being taken in an allied detachment at all. Just because 2 rules are in conflict does not prevent or forbid to take something. The Debate will be does “will always be the army’s warlord” override the BRB restriction or are they concurrent restriction.

      I notice on page one, it said SIXTH EDITION. ITC only allow 7th edition FW list and models?

    • westrider November 26, 2015 1:43 pm

      I can see three possible interpretations of the Rules conflict here. One is that his requirement overrides the Allied Detachment restriction. The second is that the restriction overrides his requirement to be Warlord and thus he can be taken in an Allied Detachment, but will lose his Warlord Trait. The third is that he simply cannot be taken in an Allied Detachment, because the two requirements are incompatible.

      My gut reaction when I first ran into this situation with a Red Scorpions list was number 2, but the more I’ve thought about it, the more 3 seems like the right reading. But that’s just, like, my opinion, man.

      • Joshua Taylor November 27, 2015 9:12 am

        I think that the author has the correct interpretation, because special codex rules always override basic rules.

        • abusepuppy November 27, 2015 6:00 pm

          I would argue that Lias’s ability has an implied “(if possible)” clause on the end of it, as most such abilities do, just as a unit with an ability that says “this unit must always launch an assault against a Chaos unt” would. It doesn’t let you perform illegal actions, it just forces you to make a particular decision if you otherwise have the ability to.

  3. iNcontroL November 26, 2015 10:23 am

    I like how excited this army has you and Reece.. really cool that GW came out with a rules heavy and awesome force like this.

  4. Lex November 27, 2015 6:04 am

    That sort of thing won’t work in my area. The FW CT blurb indicates it’s most likely the new RG CT. The blurb about Lias being the Warlord only overrides the no longer existent Ld requirement and “never” typically overrides “must” when there is a no longer valid exception. Too many explanations.

    • Lex November 27, 2015 6:22 am

      Also, alias would lose whatever CT he supposedly had by being placed in the Dev Squad anyway.

    • Lex November 27, 2015 6:23 am

      Lias not alias, autocorrect, sheesh.

      • Jeremy Veysseire
        MikhailLenin November 27, 2015 7:45 am

        He would lose his Bolter Ending correct but not Scout if he sill has scout due to it being a model specific rule and USR. Still outflank to him naturally having Infiltrate from his warlord

        • Lex November 27, 2015 8:24 am

          He’s getting Scout from the CT, he doesn’t actually have the USR so he would lose it. Correct that he could still use the Infiltrate WT, but it uses up one of the 3 units. His army would have 2 units that can’t Outflank, not one.

          • Jeremy Veysseire
            MikhailLenin November 27, 2015 10:33 am

            The CT restriction stacking mechanic only applies to CT that affect units not Model specific rules.

          • Lex November 27, 2015 11:43 am

            That language is nowhere in the rule. The attempt is to have a “unit” benefit from a specific CT while composed of models with different CT’s, which is explicitly prohibited. But if it’s okay in your group, that’s cool. GW will never answer the question. It’s just so much easier to use a CAD and plan on mixed CTs not working. Causes fewer arguments.

          • Jeremy Veysseire
            MikhailLenin November 27, 2015 11:49 am

            “It a unit contains models drawn from two different chapters than it counts as neither Chapter and get no benefit.”

            See it refers to unit not models…

          • Lex November 27, 2015 12:17 pm

            It says both, and that is not an exclusory clause.

  5. RoockieBoy November 27, 2015 9:19 am

    It’s “Warlord and 3 non-vh units” get infiltrate.

  6. Kartr_Kana November 27, 2015 10:30 am

    If your Warlord can never be chosen from the Allied Detachment and Lias has to be taken as Warlord then wouldn’t mean he can never be taken in an Allied Detachment? He’s got nothing in his rules that overrides the Allied Detachment restriction.

    When you choose the Allied Detachment you gain the “no warlord” restriction, then you go choose your HQ and Lias must be excluded as an option because he has to be the Warlord.

    Its actually not a problem for this list to take Lias in a CAD, as you just take 2x 5 man Scout Squads instead of 1x 10 man Scout Squad.

  7. asmodius December 4, 2015 9:05 am

    Reece you should chime in and this needs FAQed. Eldar corsairs look like they have the same problem with a prince. You have to take a prince and he has to be the warlord but nothing stops you from taking an allied detachment. Forgeworld should have just said you only have to make him warlord if his detachment is selected as the primary detachment.