List Review: IG and Inquisition

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This week on List Review we’ve got an IG footslogger list backed by heavy tanks, flyers, and psykers- in short, all of the things you’ll love if you love Imperial Guard. Astra Miliwhatum?

IMPERIAL GUARD COMBINED ARMS DETACHMENT

HQ

Company Command Squad with Kurov’s Aquila, Lascannon, Master of Ordnance, and Bolter (1pt upgrade, natch)

TROOPS

Infantry Platoon

Platoon Command Squad with 4 Flamers

Infantry Squad with Plasma Gun, Meltabombs and Power Axe

Infantry Squad with Plasma Gun, Meltabombs and Power Axe

Infantry Squad with Plasma Gun, Meltabombs and Power Axe

Infantry Squad with Plasma Gun, Meltabombs and Power Axe

Infantry Platoon

Platoon Command Squad with 4 Flamers

Infantry Squad with Lascannon and Power Axe

Infantry Squad with Lascannon and Power Axe

Infantry Squad with Lascannon and Power Axe

Infantry Squad with Lascannon

FAST ATTACK

Vendetta

Vendetta

HEAVY SUPPORT

Leman Russ Eradicator with Heavy Bolter Sponsons

Leman Russ Eradicator with Heavy Bolter Sponsons

Leman Russ Executioner with Plasma Cannon Sponsons

FORTIFICATION

Void Shield Generator with 2 extra Void Shields

INQUISITORIAL DETACHMENT

Ordo Xenos Inquisitor with Rad Grenades, Psyker Level 1 and Liber Heresius

Ordo Xenos Inquisitor with Rad Grenades, Psyker Level 1 and 3 Servo-Skulls

So Imperial Guard. They’re actually pretty good, though you don’t see them all that often these days. They have a lot of good tools against many of the lists that are around these days, but they also have some significant weaknesses that can use covering. Different sorts of allies can do this to different degrees, but the keys are to cover the bases that IG can’t effectively hit, namely mobility and certain kinds of utility abilities (and shoring up morale and melee combat don’t hurt, either.)

So we have some pretty good tools in the list so far; giving Orders out to the squads with their weapons is a solid plan, and Preferred Enemy is a nice trick. We’ve got lots of Ignores Cover (via the Eradicators and Orders) and varying weapon profiles to go with it, which is excellent. We’ve got a pretty decent melee component from the blob units + Inquisitors, and the Vendettas give use some roaming firepower that can potentially hop on objectives on the final turns.

However, the list also has some serious problems- though the combat blobs are Leadership 10 and Stubborn, that still gives us a non-trivial chance of failing morale (because we’re gonna lose combat to anything that we don’t wipe out, generally speaking) and getting Swept. We also are banking a LOT on that Company Command Squad staying alive behind the Void Shield, which in a world of barrage weapons and mobile anti-infantry is a pretty big risk to be taking. We also are gonna struggle significantly with stuff like Wraithknights and other tough targets, not to even mention deathstars.

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New and Improved

So, the question is, how to mitigate our weaknesses and improve our strengths? Well, our original poster was open to the option of Forge World (as a lot of groups are these days), so we have some possibilities there. We also have access to Ultramarines, as per the original email, which actually nets us some very useful tools as well.

The first thing we’re gonna do is cut the Void Shield and Command Squad. Void Shields are very strong for their ability to shut down anti-infantry tools and Grav weapons, but they can also be used against us and they commit us to particular deployments. Since this army isn’t really particularly vulnerable to Grav as a whole, I don’t feel it’s a tool that we really need to help ourselves. With the VSG gone, the Company Command is really just a walking liability- it’s an easy Warlord point for the enemy, fairly expensive overall for how fragile it is, and we’re centering a lot of our strategy on it.

What we’re going to look to instead is to replace it with something more resilient and effective- namely, Commissar Yarrick. Not only is Yarrick much tougher to kill innately (T4, 4++, Eternal Warrior, stands back up on a 3+) he can also hide inside one of our blob units. On top of that, he brings the “fuck Leadership checks” Commissar ability to the squad as well as a Power Fist, essentially giving us everything we could ask for.

Since we are running infantry blobs, we also have very little excuse not to be including Priests; getting automatic rerolls on the firs turn of combat and the possibility of better saves/wounds as well as Fearless is really good. For 25pts, we really can’t ask them to do anything more than that.

However, we want to keep our Leman Russes in the army because they’re actually pretty solid inclusions. The Exterminator is really only viable if we have a way to reroll, though, so we’ll need to look at options there; we can potentially just be casting Prescience on it, though that has issues of its own. However, we also have access to the Ammo Dump fortification upgrade, which gives us a 3″ radius of rerolling 1s to hit with it- while not quite as good as Preferred Enemy (as it doesn’t affect wound rolls) it’s not at all bad for a runner-up and is more resilient than the Aquila, since it can’t be shot or destroyed in any way.

That brings us to our next dilemma- the Inquisitors. Now, those Rad Grenades and Divination spells are great, don’t get me wrong- but on the other hand, with only two total Mastery Levels we’re unlikely to actually get off two Presciences per turn (and even one will be dicey a lot of the time, not to even speak of psychic defenses) and we aren’t realistically going to be able to have any other “utility” powers active at all.

Instead, a better solution is the Librarius Conclave. Although there’s arguments to be made for differing Chapters to pick it from, in this case we will use Ultramarines because of the already-existing models. Tigurius, with his ML3 (for casting three spells per turn), ability to reroll power generation and also casting powers, makes a fantastic focus for our Conclave, even though his Tactic ends up being all but worthless in this case. But between him and his two friends, we should easily be able to roll up whatever combination of Divination, Telepathy, and Maelific powers that we want for any given game. Invisibility and Prescience obviously have a lot of use, but Summoning (for Daemonettes), Incursion (for Screamers), and Sacrifice (for a Herald of Tzeentch) are also very handy.

The conjuration spells are important because they give us a set of disposable, speedy units that we can use to score Maelstrom objectives and harass the enemy with. They also can be a solution to many units that we would otherwise struggle with- for example, Wraithknights do not appreciate tangling with a squad or two of Daemonettes, who strike at the same time, hit on 3s, and rely on Rending to do all of their damage anyways. Bloodletters can chop up MSU Marines pretty easily, Screamers hit vehicles quite hard, and Flesh Hounds are fast and relatively resilient; there’s just a lot of very useful choices to pick from.

So, the last thing we have to touch on is the potential for Forge World units. While Vendettas are hardly bad vehicles, even with the changes, we have another competitor in the FA slot: the Vulture. With Strafing Run for BS4 (and naturally twin-linked guns), Vector Dancer to ensure we can always aim at what we want to, and AV12/12/10 to shrug off the vast majority of shooting, the Vulture is an absolute steal at 155pts for the Punisher Cannon variant. In the HS slot we also have the Quad Mortar/Thudd Gun- 50pts buys us an artillery unit with four S5 small blasts, a very solid price for a very resilient unit and well worth it if we have some change left over at the end of our list.

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The List

1995pts

IMPERIAL GUARD COMBINED ARMS

1 Comissar Yarrick (Warlord) (145)

1 Priest (25)

Infantry Platoon

-Platoon Command Squad (30)

-Infantry Squad (Lascannon, Power Axe) (75)

-Infantry Squad (Lascannon, Power Axe) (75)

-Infantry Squad (Lascannon, Power Axe) (75)

-Infantry Squad (Lascannon, Power Axe) (75)

-Infantry Squad (Lascannon, Power Axe) (75)

Infantry Platoon

-Platoon Command Squad (30)

-Infantry Squad (Lascannon, Power Axe) (75)

-Infantry Squad (Lascannon, Power Axe) (75)

-Infantry Squad (Lascannon, Power Axe) (75)

-Infantry Squad (Lascannon, Power Axe) (75)

-Infantry Squad (Power Axe) (55)

1 Vulture (TLPunisher) (155)

1 Vulture (TLPunisher) (155)

1 Leman Russ Executioner (hull Heavy Flamer, Plasma sponsons, Dozer Blade) (190)

1 Leman Russ Eradicator (HB Sponsons, Dozer Blade) (145)

1 Aegis Defense Line (Ammo Dump) (70)

ULTRAMARINES LIBRARIUS CONCLAVE

1 Tigurius (165)

1 Librarian (ML2) (90)

1 Librarian (65)

We’ve dropped the Plasmaguns from the Infantry Squads because we either want to be hanging back in cover and shooting Lascannons (and hence out of range) or advancing forward and probably Running a lot (in which case we also don’t get to use them.) This version only includes one Priest due to points constraints, but with the three ATSKNF characters and Yarrick that shouldn’t be a critical issue. We aren’t bound to either a purely-aggressive or purely-defense strategy, but rather are able to shift between either as the matchup demands. Remember that you can advance with most of a unit and leave the heavy weapons stationary in order to be able to sneak a bit of movement out of things while still firing for effect.

I trimmed down to two Russes, which makes the presence of the Aegis a bit more iffy; we might potentially replace it (and the Eradicator) with Commander Pask in his Multimelta/Lascannon Punisher for another source of firepower, but I’m not sure how I feel about that overall. Having the Aegis around is actually quite nice, since it lets us shrug off a lot of firepower any time we are allowed to take cover saves- especially if it’s Night Fighting or we managed to get Shrouding off.

The Conclave is absolutely key for this army- it gives us a fantastic toolbox of powers we can roll on depending on the situation and lets us use our psychic dice very, very efficiently. Perils is mostly a non-issue for us, a major advantage over most psykers; if we need to cast some Daemonology we can potentially pawn it off on one of the basic libbies rather than risking Tigurius, although he is more reliable. We typically want to having two of them in one unit (for casting powers) and they the other one will often be on his own in the other unit- however, taking a 4th Libby so we can have two groups of two wouldn’t be terrible.

I’ve dropped the Inquisitorial component from the army entirely, but keeping a single Inquisitor for Servo-Skulls and Rad/Psycho Grenades wouldn’t be a bad thing.

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16 Responses to “List Review: IG and Inquisition”

  1. AngryPanda November 24, 2015 7:49 am #

    While this all sounds about right it just feels off that the Librarian Conclave is the be all end all answer for all Armies of the Imperium. I mean it is, it just makes the whole thing so boring and seeing even the IG build on it makes it feel like outside of it there aren’t realy any armies left.

    • abusepuppy November 24, 2015 8:58 am #

      It isn’t a “be-all” for the Imperium- but it is very good for armies that want to make a deathstar (because it allows you to get easy and consistent access to the powerful psychic spells that can make a unit vastly more effective or resilient) and for armies that struggle with utility the way that IG does. IG doesn’t have cheap, fast, disposable units to ‘catapult’ into midfield the way some armies (Orks, Eldar, SM, etc) do- access to summoning gives them that, and more besides.

      I’ve written lots of armies, and lots of Imperial armies, that don’t make any use of the Conclave at all and I think only one other army (the Ravenwing one) even had it brought up as an option.

      The Conclave is strong, but it has lots of issues. I’ve wrecked plenty of Conclaves in the past- MrMoreTanks ran one in his IG list, which I had quite a lot of practice against, and I faced a Wolfstar using it just this weekend. It’s not for all armies, and I’m skeptical of the claim that it’s even the strongest thing you can do with Space Marines these days.

      Eldar, Daemonkin, Battle Company, Tau, Orks, War Convocation, and more all have very strong builds still, and none of them make use of the Conclave in their typical forms. I think you’re selling the variety of armies short by quite a bit.

      • AngryPanda November 24, 2015 10:38 am #

        Hyperbole, true enough. I’ve just been seeing the Conclave in just about every Imperial list recently. For exactly the reasons you mentioned.

        I’m curious since you include them in your list, do you think Orks have strong builds without the use of Forge World (since I see that in almost all, and its rarely allowed arround here). Mostly just because its an unusual opinion. And I’m curious about things to play people do not expect.

        • abusepuppy November 24, 2015 9:02 pm #

          Without Forge World? They are significantly weaker and I don’t think will really be seen at upper tables much- Zhardsnark, Gunwagons, and other stuff are just too important to their builds. You could still do okay with them by just throwing Meganobz/Tankbustas/etc in the enemy’s face, but I don’t think they’d be top tier without FW.

          • AngryPanda November 25, 2015 8:37 am
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            That explains it then. Thanks!

  2. Karaghul November 24, 2015 9:10 am #

    I may be wrong, (or my codex old), but, shouldn’t each infantry squad be:

    Squad (50pts) + Lascannon (20pts) + Power Axe (15pts) = 85pts total, instead of 75pts?

    • Kartr_Kana November 24, 2015 10:22 am #

      That’s what BattleScribe shows.

    • abusepuppy November 24, 2015 9:03 pm #

      Yeah, that was an error on my part- I swapped over from meltabombs and forgot to change the cost. You could either go down to Autocannons on them or scrounge up the points elsewhere, possibly by dropping the Aegis Line in favor of 2x Eradicators for the Russ loadouts.

  3. Kartr_Kana November 24, 2015 9:50 am #

    Why las cannons in the infantry squads instead of a heavy weapon squad?

    • Dashzed November 24, 2015 10:40 am #

      Because the Lascannons are shielded by all the infantry squad bodies, if they are in heavy weapon squads then each time someone shoots at them they are taking out an expensive Lascannon.

    • westrider November 24, 2015 11:08 am #

      Because Heavy Weapons Squads die the instant anyone so much as looks at them funny. Having to cut your way through 30-40 ablative dudes before getting to the Lascannon means they’ll actually do something, instead of just giving up First Blood.

      Plus, it’s worth attaching ICs to the Blobs, which gives them a better Ld for Orders, while putting an IC with a HWS is generally a waste.

  4. Kartr_Kana November 24, 2015 10:37 am #

    I figured he might want to keep the Rad grenades since -1T would certainly help guardsmen in cc. Plus servo skulls help with scouting battle companies, though from experience using them i feel that 3 is too few. Added flamers for a wall of death and went sentinels of Terra for a cheaper Tiggy using the bones of osrak. The artillery gives you a high toughness place to hide Yarrik and you should be able to give it orders like Ignores Cover for S10 Ap2 ord.

    +++ IG and Inquisition (2000pts) +++

    ++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1553pts) ++

    + HQ (145pts) +

    Commissar Yarrick (145pts) [Orders]

    + Troops (780pts) +

    Infantry Platoon (390pts)
    ····Infantry Squad [6x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Flamer, Lascannon Team]
    ········Sergeant [Laspistol, Power Axe]
    ····Infantry Squad [6x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Flamer, Lascannon Team]
    ········Sergeant [Laspistol, Power Axe]
    ····Infantry Squad [6x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Flamer, Lascannon Team]
    ········Sergeant [Laspistol, Power Axe]
    ····Infantry Squad [6x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Flamer, Lascannon Team]
    ········Sergeant [Laspistol, Power Axe]
    ····Platoon Command Squad [4x Guardsman w/ Lasgun]
    ········Platoon Commander [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, Orders]

    Infantry Platoon (390pts)
    ····Infantry Squad [6x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Flamer, Lascannon Team]
    ········Sergeant [Laspistol, Power Axe]
    ····Infantry Squad [6x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Flamer, Lascannon Team]
    ········Sergeant [Laspistol, Power Axe]
    ····Infantry Squad [6x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Flamer, Lascannon Team]
    ········Sergeant [Laspistol, Power Axe]
    ····Infantry Squad [6x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Flamer, Lascannon Team]
    ········Sergeant [Laspistol, Power Axe]
    ····Platoon Command Squad [4x Guardsman w/ Lasgun]
    ········Platoon Commander [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, Orders]

    + Fast Attack (310pts) +

    Vulture Gunship (FW) (155pts) [Twin-linked Punisher Cannons]

    Vulture Gunship (FW) (155pts) [Twin-linked Punisher Cannons]

    + Heavy Support (318pts) +

    Heavy Artillery Carriage Battery (FW) (318pts)
    ····Artillery Carriage [Additional Crew, Medusa Siege Cannon]
    ····Artillery Carriage [Additional Crew, Medusa Siege Cannon]
    ····Artillery Carriage [Additional Crew, Medusa Siege Cannon]

    ++ Space Marines: Supplement – Sentinels of Terra (2013) (Formation Detachment) (295pts) ++

    + Formation (295pts) +

    “Librarius Conclave” (295pts)
    ····Librarian [Epistolary (Lvl 2), Force Sword, Relic: The Bones of Osrak]
    ········Power Armour [Bolt Pistol]
    ····Librarian [Epistolary (Lvl 2), Force Sword]
    ········Power Armour [Bolt Pistol]
    ····Librarian [Epistolary (Lvl 2), Force Sword]
    ········Power Armour [Bolt Pistol]

    ++ Inquisition: Codex (2013) (Inq Inquisitorial Detachment) (152pts) ++

    + HQ (152pts) +

    Ordo Xenos Inquisitor (76pts) [Bolt Pistol, Carapace Armour, Chainsword, Psyker (Mastery Level 1), Rad Grenades, 2x Servo Skulls]

    Ordo Xenos Inquisitor (76pts) [Bolt Pistol, Carapace Armour, Chainsword, Psyker (Mastery Level 1), Rad Grenades, 2x Servo Skulls]

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  5. Charles Rink November 24, 2015 12:21 pm #

    I’m not sold on all those power axes. There are 10 of them. Thats 150 pts. Or, in other words, 2 x Earthshaker Carriage. Youve got plenty of librarians and yarrick to provde powered attacks. Do you really need 10 axes?

    • abusepuppy November 24, 2015 9:06 pm #

      Ten Power Axes turn the units from “Hmm, I bet I could soak up a few wounds from the Marines and keep them from shooting at things” into “if I charge that I will die and accomplish nothing.”

  6. MidnightSun November 25, 2015 4:59 am #

    Hooray, my list got List Reviewed!

    Thanks for taking the time to review this, AbusePuppy; I have a couple of questions/comments/suggestions on the final list.

    Most of my Marines are indeed Ultramarines, but conveniently enough my Librarius is Tigurius (painted) and 2 unpainted Librarians (shame on me) – for the extra one model it’d cost me, would replacing Tiggy/level 2/level 1 with 3 level 2 White Scars Librarians, one with the Hunters Eye, be strictly better? It’d also save 30pts to spend on the power axes in the blobs.

    No Meltabombs in the blobs makes me nervy about a Knight or more embarrassingly a Dreadnought or something charging in and taking out/holding up the entire blob, is this a realistic/legitimate fear?

    Taking the Executioner down to an Eradicator would save Prescience for the blobs (who have Ignores Cover Lascannons which are great, but can’t shoot for shit, which isn’t so good), give enough points to buy all the Axes – I’ve played two games with what I have so far, and the Executioner was quite disappointing while the Eradicators did a really good job.

    Is it worth trying to shave points to put *something* on the PCS, even if it’s just an Autocannon or something? They just feel like a wasted 30pts if they’re not being used.

    • abusepuppy November 25, 2015 9:43 am #

      White Scars are the other obvious choice for the Conclave, yes- having Hit and Run for the blobs is super-handy, to be sure. I’m not entirely sure which I would go with, to be honest- Tiggy is really good for casting summoning spells in particular and basically everything, since you can put 2-3 dice into even WC2 spells and be pretty assured of getting them. The Hunter’s Eye is great for Ignores Cover without need for use of an Order (and thus frees up the Order to do Tank Hunter or whatever), so it might be enough to push things over the top- but on the other hand, Tiggy means three powers per turn rather than two and much better chances of getting the powers you want (like Telepathy, Shrouding, Scrier;s Gaze, etc.) You might try it both ways and see what you prefer.

      Knights are certainly a concern, but part of the reason you want Tiggy is to fish for stuff like Misfortune when you need it- that’s part of the toolbox. Misfortune is an amazing spell, by the way- it won’t kill a Knight, but you can kill a Dreadnought with it and it lets your Marines kill a Knight, or Lasguns plink one to death from the side. I tend not to see very many Knights, though, and with Tank Hunting Lascannons in force they weren’t a huge concern- but if you often see multi-Knight lists, you might consider making room for them.

      Executioners are great for killing Terminators and MCs, but neither of those are really critical worries for you, so you could afford to drop it- I left it in because I wanted to leave the Guard half as intact as possible. If you were aiming for a “best” list I would say drop the tanks for Wyverns or Thudd Guns, but that isn’t really necessary to have it be a good army. Eradicators are definitely better than most people give them credit for, though- and 145pts for AV14 is a great deal.

      Honestly, I usually see the PCS as a late-game objective grabber. I used to run mine with Mortars, but now that those aren’t Pinning anymore, it feels a lot less appealing. You could cram an Autocannon- or perhaps some Grenade Launchers or Melta if you wanted it- onto them, but I typically don’t find that it is really worth it. A 30pt unit that gives out basic orders, has ObSec, and can hide when needed is an acceptable thing to have.

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