War Convocation at the BAO

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Hey everyone Geoff “iNcontroL” Robinson here fresh off a weekend filled with awesome 40k games at the annual BAO ITC tourney in San Jose! Be sure to check the Tactics Corner for more great tournament reports!

We had great terrain, tables (FAT MAT holla), opponents and most of all: Great fun! If you didn’t make it out definitely consider planning for it next year as a person who travels the country going to 15+ tourneys a year I can tell you this is one of if not my absolute favorite to attend and those of you who did go can probably attest to this! Anyways, fun aside the reason for this article is I’d like to share my thoughts on playing with the War Convocation a list comprised of Skitarii, Cult Mechanicus and an Imperial Knight. I also ran it with some Flesh Tearers for drop pods and who doesn’t love a Culexus Assassin?

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Let us begin with the list and some thoughts:

WAR CONVOCATION

SKITARII (618)

+7 Vanguard – 63 pts

-Omnispex (Alpha)

-Plasma Caliver x2

-Conversion Field (Alpha)

-Digital Weapons (Alpha)

-The Omniscient Mask (Alpha)

+5 Rangers – 65 pts

-Transuranic aquebus x2

-Omnispex (Alpha)

-Conversion Field (Alpha)

-Digital Weapons (Alpha)

-Arkhan’s Divinator (Alpha)

+5 Ruststalkers – 160 pts

-Infoslave skull

-Conversion Field (Princeps)

-Digital Weapons (Princeps)

-Enhanced Data-tether (Princeps)

-prehensile Data spike (Princeps)

-Phase Taser (Princeps)

+5 Infiltratrors – 185 pts

-Infoslave skull

-Conversion Field (Princeps)

-Digital Weapons (Princeps)

-Enhanced Data-tether (Princeps)

-Pater Radium (Princeps)

+1 Ballistarii – 55 pts

-Twin linked Cognis Lascannon

+1 Dunecrawler – 90 pts

-Icarus Array

-Cognis Manipulator

-Mindscanner Probe

-Cognis Heavy stubber

Cult Mechanicus (435)

+1 Tech-Priest Dominus – 105 pts

-Eradication Ray

-Phosphur Serpenta

-Stasis Field

-Digital Weapons

-Infoslave skull

The Scryerskull Perspicatus

 

+3 Kataphron Destroyers – 165 pts

-Cognis Flamers x3

-grav-cannon x3

+3 Kataphron Destroyers – 165 pts

-Cognis Flamers x3

-grav-cannon x3

Imperial Knight (425)

+1 Knight Crusader – 425 pts

-Storm Spear rocket Pod

-Carapace Melta gun

Imperial Assassin (140)

+1 Culexus Assassin

Flesh Tearers detachment (225)

+3 Drop Pods 105

+5 Scouts – 55 pts

+1 Sanguinary Priest – 70 pts

-Auspex

-Melta Bombs

TOTAL: 1848

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As the article progresses you will see a theme: Utility. This army has a little of everything and with the ability to take free upgrades and weapons but also the buffing powers of Imperatives for the Skitarii and Cantocles for almost everything you have a wide array of options that give you an answer for almost anything.

While practicing Skitarii specifically I saw that a huge weakness was both in the assault phase and also the psychic. While Vanguard are surprisingly durable and of course put out huge amounts of damage they don’t have much staying power and of course will melt away without numbers of bodies, something the War Convocation doesn’t have. This is shored up in many ways by the Sicarians (Infiltrators and Rust Stalkers) as technical assault. They too are not very durable but if played right can cleave through the specific targets you unleash them upon and remain a nuisance. The psychic phase is being answered here by the Culexus. I want to tell you he is hit-or-miss but to be honest he is “are you smart/good at this game or do you make mistakes?” At only tough 4 he will get mobbed down even with his pseudo invisibility. If you however use the small model to hide and maneuver yourself into the right situation he can win you games.. more on that later. The obvious use here is put him in a pod get him within ’12 of a psychic force and watch him go to work but I found the real charm in this Assassin was in him playing to his name sake when there wasn’t psychers to be found.

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Outside of the weaknesses this list has null deploy/alpha strike capabilities with the drop pods. Only 3 mind you so null deploying is something I have yet to do for the most part but is definitely an option against say a massive drop pod army. In the way of Alpha strike I have several options but usually it looks like 36 grav shots twin linked with the Cantocles into a unit or two. I have the auspex on the Sanguinary priest so I can join him to a unit and give them -1 cover to what they are shooting as well as FnP. A real charm here as well is to use the Scryerskull Perspecticus to give me re-roll armor pen against a vehicle with my grav. This ended up being one of the super big assets to my army. Behind this I have a Knight Crusader with incredible range who will provide auxilary support in the form of a 2 shot battle cannon, 3 str 8ap3 missiles and a 12 shot str 6 ap3 rending gun. This army will hurt you.

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As a last aside about the list specifically I would mention that perhaps the greatest gem of this army is in the nuances. The Culexus, Knight, Kataphron Destroyers and even the Onager Dune Walker (if you have fliers) can grab your attention with the fear of their damage output but the real power of this list comes in the uncanny ability it has to play to the mission and grab objectives. Infiltrating scouts, Infiltrators and even the Culexus if I desire means I can be almost anywhere on the table to begin. While the Infiltrators don’t possess the thickest of hide they do have stealth, infiltrate and scout so I can usually get them where I want them to be and with their fast movement I can put them in debuffing range if I back them up with my alpha strike. Scouts I find are rightfully regarded as the smallest threat and thus they survived most of my games just chilling having a camp fire near some objective throwing stories back and forth. Outside of this though my army has incredible mobility with the extremely fast moving Balistarii and Rust Stalkers. Both move ‘9 and run +3. This means I could reliably hide them mid table and have them run around grabbing those maelstrom objectives that a gun heavy army like mine would normally miss out on. Lastly it is worth mentioning that the added bonus of drop pods is they are fairly durable methods of planting your ass near an objective. This is made MORE possible due to the incredible range of the Kataphron destroyers that launch their grav 30 inches (36 with movement). My backfield was anchored by the Onager, Rangers with my WL usually and the Knight. This meant I was mostly able to rely on my 1-2 objectives being controlled by  me and my alpha strike constantly threatening their 1-2 objectives as well as the backfield.

Lets talk about the games!

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Game 1 vs Chuck and his 5 Flyrants, 2 mawlocs, 2 lictors, rippers / mucloids.

I was fairly confident with my first round opponent. I know Nids you might say.. fairly well 😉 Our table had leveled terrain so I played a game of Tremors (great movie) and avoided them entirely. He went for the Kataphrons twice and both times scattered off and then died immediately after, doh! His flyrants faired about as bad. I infiltrated the Culexus into the middle terrain to act as a psychic debuffer knowing he would have to fly there to alpha strike me (he took first turn). This to me seemed really clever and top notch.. while it DID do that it cost me the Culexus as 2 flyrants shot their twin linked dakka into him and pop goes the Culexus. Next turn however I took vengeance and dropped 2.5 flyrants. The Onager can do that.. volume of fire against a 3+ save flyrant means with even average dice you are taking several wounds when they are hitting on 2’s (imperatives) and twin linked (Cantocles). Most of the shots are str 6-7 with high volume of fire. However the “in a pinch” AA of the Crusader is incredible. Twin linked 12 shots (Cantocles) makes for AF (Anti-Flyrant). With the grav in the backfield blowing up whatever Flyrants stuck around and my Rust Stalkers/Infiltrators hunting his lictors and my own objectives the game was over on turn 5 with a tabling.

Max points for the War Convocation!

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Game 2 vs (Best Nid winner at this BAO) Don and his 4 flyrants, 2 crones, 3 individual melee carnifexes, venomthrope, single zoanthrope and mucloids / single set of rippers

Ah, another Nid player! What is this? 9 Flyrants in two games? Has the Great Devourer sent it’s dogs after me for betraying the Hive Mind and taking Admech? Well, unfortunately for them I am very confidect vs Nids as I know them really really well! But not as well as Don haha. During our game I was off my game for some reason and thankfully he was not as he corrected me on rules seemingly 2-3 times a turn.. and ON NIDS. I assured him I played Nids but apparently that memory was short lived. Anyways.. game wise this was a tough one for him as well. This time my Warlord got the Cult Mechanicus WL trait #4 where I can identify an objective with my Scryerskull Perspecticus (anywhere on the table) but then PICK what it is due to the WL trait. So yeah, I decided to go with sky fire nexus on the middle of the table and land my grav kataphrons there. Don is an exceptional general and did what he could to try and block that objective from me but eventually and inevitably it was mine.. took more shooting than I thought would be necessary turn one and as such he “only” lost a crone, a flyrant (aced by the onager again) and had 2 flyrants down to 1-2 wounds each. He had some shots of his own but unfortunately he didn’t run his Flyrants with eGrubs so his ability to really impact my armor was limited and with the vanguard deployment his carnifexes had to walk across a battle field that wouldn’t be friendly to a Heirodule let alone measly carnis! I really can’t say it enough but despite the disadvantages I was really impressed with Don’s generalship. Nids have a good general in him! That said it was a tabling at turn 5.

Max points for the War Convocation!

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Game 3 vs Michael Kriegler and his 3 mauler fiends, jugger herald with spawn and jugger lord with spawn 2 heldrakes, outflanking sicarian and a million cultists.

When he walked over with his army I definitely did the “not bad” face as I was really really confident I was going to go 3-0 on day 1 and set myself up to be in an excellent position to win this tourney. Boy, did my overconfidence nearly break me! Turn 1 I grav 2 of the maulerfiends and blow them up. The other one died uneventfully on turn 2.. that was devastating. Combine that with the fact that he outflanked his sicarian due to an item he has on it he really had nothing on the table at that time that I thought posed a threat. The mission was relic so I set up all over the top / middle of my half of the board and intended on sitting there and gunning down whoever came near the relic: Enter his 2 spawn stars. Forgetting that his stars ignore cover for their ’12 movement I had the Knight in a horrible spot. While my Crusader is a beast he can NOT take 8-10 strength 8 cc attacks … nor did he. My bad! No reason for him to be that close at all.. and it cost me dearly. I began to sweat but assured myself with both his stars in combat with my Knight there was a good chance the explosion would actually win me the game.. then it scattered back annihilating all but 1 scouts, 3 of 5 rust stalkers and some assorted other individuals.. but hitting exactly none of the arch enemy. Great. After this the game became a really really close game. The heldrakes devastated whatever they looked at and widdled my army down to almost nothing but with the Scryerskull Perspecticus and my one Onager I managed to do just enough damage to eventually clean them up.. it is worth mentioning I also got lucky that this was Hammer Anvil deployment.. easily the worst for fliers. Had it been Dawn of War or Vanguard I’d be in a LOT of trouble. With two stars in my backfield and fire breathing dragons in the sky what is a Tech Priest to do? Well, call upon the temples of the Assassins of course. Culexus waded into one of the fully intact Spawn Stars and went to work. His poor lord HAD to challenge.. woops. A 6 later and he was dead. After 2 full game turns of combat the Assasin emerged from 5 spawn .. unscathed. Average dice? Hell no.. lucky as crap dice. But man the narrative I forged could have pierced the staunchest of chastity belts. The game was winding down and it came down to a chaos sorcerer on a bike grabbing the relic and getting to the top of a LoS blocking terrain.. had he crossed over I would have almost no recourse but while atop that cliff he ended up getting gunned down by my limited weaponry and with that the Culexus flipped over and stood atop the primary mission objective winning me the game. With it ending on 5 and him only have 20 ish cultists plus a Sicarian I figured I had escaped certain defeat but ironically the tough part was over.. I needed the game to go on to get my maelstrom points with the primary virtually impossible for him to get!

War Convocation scores 7 points

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Game 4 vs Doug The Hobby Killer and his IG Renegade crap from FW (earth shaker, laser battery things, thud guns and something that is str 10ap1) + Herald on disk with screamers (spawning) and heralds with the cultists for Fearless and 3 heldrakes

Perhaps the most important roll of the game was me winning the choice to pick deployment sides. Hammer Anvil was good as well.. but I got the side after winning the roll that had 2 leveled terrain pieces which would allow me to hide my infiltrators, rust stalkers, scouts and rangers+WL so I could jump out and grab objectives later. Doug only had nurglings with DS as his method of grabbing an objective and with their shrouding they did just that. Doug clogged up his half of the table as best he could trying to prevent my alpha strike from doing too much damage and I think he did a great job of that. One pod with Kataphron ended up going after a clot of renegades manning the laser batteries and doing a fairly good job of cleaving through them.. eventually they were ran down and killed by spawned pinks and daemonnettes. The other Kataphon unit found a hole in his defensive wall and tried to do enough damage to run his earth shaker battery off the table.. that was when I found out the herald in their from daemonkin conferred fearless to them 🙁 Woops! Not feeling safe deploying my knight with so much high strength and low ap long range shooting (I don’t trust 4+ saves) I hide everything I could and walked him + the onager + the balistarii on which ended up hurting as the Knight never came on until turn 4! Yikes! To make matters worse on turn two I dropped my culexus in an aggressive hole in his backfield that would have planted him next to the pinks AND his herald but also in position to assault the earth shaker batteries and probably run them off the table after I challenge out EITHER the WL or the Herald which is making that unit fearless and not d6+4 leadership but alas I scatter off, mishap and roll a 2. He promptly places the pod in the backfield of my own deployment… a move that would end up costing him the game! Doug and I duke it out with my Kataphrons at his gunline surviving impossibly long in CC with the screamers and herald while the rest of my army mostly dies in various fires and vector strikes to the heldrakes.. the Knight finally comes on and with the Onager they do what they can to the Heldrakes but really only peel off a hullpoint or two on 2 of them.. never killing one. End game time. Doug knows I have the bottom of the turn and plan on jumping on the scouring objectives at the end of the game so he drops down the heldrakes to get linebreaker and attempt to torch the last remnants of my army. This allowed my Knight to kill one in CC and the other died to FINALLY decent shooting from my Onager who only had 1 HP left. The big move however was my Culexus slogging it for 2-3 turns towards an objective where he made a 9 inch charge into 3 screamers and rolled a single 6 insta gibbing one which triggered daemonic instability and Doug Rolled a 11! Game ended with an extremely close and hard fought win for the Imperium. Doug is a storied opponent and a huge figure in the scene so while we are both super intense in competition (definitely me more than him!) I was happy to score a victory vs a legend like Doug

War Convocation wins 8 points!

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Game 5 vs Steve Sisk and his white scars Battle Company with the AA formation (2 stalkers/1 Hunter)

Steve Sisk is the defending BAO champion and one of the best WH40k players you can find on the west coast.. by a large margin. He is experienced, crafty and he REALLY knows  his army. This guy has been playing Space Marines (specifically bikers) for YEARS. That is super key as any experienced WH40k player will tell you.. playing one army or similar army types over the years can really pay off and it certainly has for Steve. Right off the bat Steve says he wants a chill and awesome game so he hands me a handful of jello shots and I of course oblige. We both REALLY want to win but we both know we tend to get perhaps a bit too intense and can make it a tad unfun for our opponents.. so we mutually agreed to try and not have our two intensities collide and make for a heated game. We played Dawn of  War  deployment and Crusade primary. Steve gave me first turn knowing that I would get first blood but also knowing that his huge army of Objective Secured units meant he had a huge leg up on the mission game. I got lucky in the beginning and rolled maelstrom that I could easily achieve while Steve was not so lucky. Going up early on maelstrom was huge. I was also able to bait Steve into over committing against my Kataphrones. I dropped both pods around his deep corner Crusade objective and he committed 75% of his army to contesting/killing that. Due to the toughness of my Kataphrons backed up by Infiltrators and my  Vanguard I was able to hand around and occupy his attention while killing all the vehicles over there and most of his command bike squad all the way up until the end of the game. One highlight was him tank shocking my Kataphon unit that had no room to escape so they died, ouch! Outside of that blood bath a chess match was ensuing. He took his time parking various razorbacks and bike squads around LoS blocking terrain waiting to jump out and grab objectives at the end. I did what I could to pop off his mobility but ultimately was not very successful. Another highlight around here is my Culexus fresh off of winning me a game jumped into a squad of 5 space marines and dealt 0 wounds and then died immediately after to their clubbing fists and mean stares. The end of the game was approaching and both of our master plans were starting to coil up for the final strike. I did what I could to bubble wrap the middle objective with vanguard and rust stalkers while using my onager/WL unit with rangers to guard another and then the Knight had the job of blowing away anyone who came near the other objective. I was winning maelstrom but Sisk was catching up.. it was getting really close. Sisk shot the hell out of my WL unit and eventually got it down to the Warlord himself who immediately went to ground for his 2+ invul .. I told Sisk about this but with so many rules you can’t blame him for forgetting..this caught him by surprise! After that he melta’d the onager but could not get near the objective having to fire everything. My lone Infiltrator Princeps jumped into a squad of marines and chopped up 2 of the 5. Needing to kill a single unit to win the Maelstrom (game was ending, we agreed due to time) I unloaded everything into a unit of 3 bikers.. and like Space Marines always do.. they NEVER make the saves or they ALWAYS make the saves and these 3 fellas weathered THE STORM. Nobody died.. not a single one! The game boiled down to 2 things: Steve needed to make a 7 inch charge to put himself in obsec range of an objective giving him primary AND I needed a 3 attack Infiltrator Princeps to kill 3 space marines in combat… Steve failed the charge LITERALLY rolling a 6 (we had to have Reece come over to verify the charge since it was so important) and my Princeps turned it on and power sworded down the 3 marines.. game ends, War Convocation achieves victory!

For the Omnissiah! 6 points scored

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So at the end of the day I go 5-0 and take second place. Not getting those 4 points vs Michael for the secondary (we tied on that!) and having such a tough time scoring tertiary points against Doug meant that I missed the opportunity to do battle with Alan Pajama Pants… who is absolutely on fire by the way. He just won Wargames Con and now the BAO. Two of the toughest tourneys in the country.. amazing. Huge congrats to him! As a funny aside I asked him why he dropped the orks from his Wargames list and took pure Daemons to the BAO. He said “Because the internet complained so much!” Well done guys!

I come away from this tourney happy with the performance but ELATED at how damn fun the convocation is! Powerful? Yes! For reasons already explained but truly I say this not just because I went 5-0 but this army prepares you for anything thrown at you. Each game does not feel like Rock Paper Scissors it feels like WH40k the way it should be.. a hyper intense and complicated chess game. If you run Infiltators/Rust Stalkers poorly you will be down 500 points awfully quick. If you let the Crusader get charged you will lose all durability in your backfield. If you deploy poorly you won’t score.. etc. It really is cool how each element of the game is on display here and this army gives you access to engaging those elements. I felt GOOD when I won and I felt terrible when I made mistakes.. but I never felt like the other guy took advantage of me or that I had no answer for something. I love my Nids and my foray into AdMech is not out of spite but I will be enjoying this list and lists like it for a long while to come!

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I will also be doing some bat reps soon for FLG featuring my custom Nid terrain that was built and designed by the FLG studio.. you too can order some custom terrain SOON!

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35 Responses to “War Convocation at the BAO”

  1. Black Blow Fly July 15, 2015 3:46 am #

    Well done Geoff !

  2. Caldria July 15, 2015 3:50 am #

    Awesome writeup man, and grats on the results! Really cool to see Admech kicking things up right up there with the top dogs.

  3. Scrambles July 15, 2015 4:25 am #

    Great writeup, thanks Geoff. Just starting out with combined Skitarii, Cult & Knights but its a fun combo so far. What do you think about playing the Convocation without drop-pods? Is there anything that you could add from the three base Codexes to compensate?

    • Avi July 16, 2015 12:59 pm #

      A 2nd Knight

  4. Blightstar July 15, 2015 4:59 am #

    I dont know how he played them but on the list:
    -Omnispexes cannot be on Alphas.
    -Sicarians cant have Enchanced Data-Tethers.
    -Ruststalkers cant have Infoslave Skulls and only Infiltrator alphas can have them.

    Also few other points where it can be argued that he played wrong:
    -Armor Penetration rerolls from Scryerskull Perspicatus do not affect grav since they do not roll for penetration.
    -WL trait number 4 does not affect either Scryerskulls since they only “Identify” objectives, not “discover” them like WL-trait says.

    Both of those kinda need FAQ to resolve.

    But other than that – well played and its nice to see someone doing well with War Convocation.

    • masos July 15, 2015 8:08 am #

      Good catch

  5. mark July 15, 2015 7:01 am #

    I thought itc only allowed up to 3 detachments?

    • Reecius
      Reecius July 15, 2015 11:15 am #

      We do, but the War Convo includes three detachments in one.

      • mark July 15, 2015 12:15 pm #

        Murr…. Sweet!

        • mark July 15, 2015 12:16 pm #

          And awesome report love to see more!

        • Reecius
          Reecius July 15, 2015 2:31 pm #

          Yeah, that was the exception to the rule we made for AdMech.

          • DCannon4Life July 15, 2015 5:50 pm
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            WTB exception that allows for multiple Wraith Knights! 😛

  6. Ghost Valley July 15, 2015 7:21 am #

    Thanks for the detailed reps. Gives great insight to the matches – and the pinnacle moments that changed the flow of the games. Going 5-0 and not playing for all the marbles must be a tough feeling?

    A general question: with the free point armies doing so well ( which is not a surprise considering the calibre of players behind the lists) and the tournament players seeming to have accepted the lists with open arms, is this perhaps a harbinger to the gradual end of points in 40k? Fantasy is already there, and sales seem to drive rules for GW, so it is interesting to consider that this could be a bit of a beta test from the design team.

    • Fagerlund July 15, 2015 8:33 am #

      Hoho. I’ll make sure to have the popcorn ready in case that ever happens.

    • Bugpig July 15, 2015 10:42 am #

      “Free points” are still points and you pay for them through limitations in other areas. We still haven’t seen if no points wrks for anything competitve in as so I would hope not

      • Ghost Valley July 15, 2015 1:47 pm #

        I agree with you, as in I hope not as well. Just hoping gw doesent take the enthusiasm with the lists as a sign.

      • Jural July 16, 2015 2:26 pm #

        Depends highly on the list… certainly War Convocation is it’s own thing and hard to compare to before, but I know drop podders are really getting mileage out of the “free” units with relatively small limitations.

    • Reecius
      Reecius July 15, 2015 2:32 pm #

      I wish we would have had time for a 6th round, for sure. Logistically, we just didn’t.

      • Ghost Valley July 15, 2015 3:16 pm #

        I don’t mind the scoring system. It makes every vp count. And it is certainly not every tournament that has multiple undefeated lists

        • Reecius
          Reecius July 15, 2015 3:32 pm #

          Exactly. That’s why we typically do Swiss to determine a true champion. At the BAO, though, we have strict time limits.

  7. WrentheFaceless July 15, 2015 9:06 am #

    Way to go Geoff!

  8. Sawyer Z July 15, 2015 9:53 am #

    Great write up Geoff. I love reading these tournament reports and it’s good to see you do so well. Soon you’ll be getting number 1, but hey going undefeated is a huge accomplish as well.

  9. Chuck July 15, 2015 12:17 pm #

    That last bit about feeling like you can play in any scenario that you have stepped out of the rock/paper/scissors game felt really true to me. I have been practicing with a similar list and finding the same thing, I have won or lost based on my mistakes.
    I am interested to see if this continues to be the way the army feels as other players get more practice against it.

  10. Ct Rickey July 15, 2015 1:49 pm #

    Happy to see how it worked well. Sounds like you played them well and didn’t have to much trouble.

    I know the formation is really good by it self. Getting free upgrades and having everyone getting each other power is great. But getting to add two other armies that cover all the weakness to the list is just even more broken, It takes 5 codex to play it as well. I am sorry but that is not a 3 source list in any way. I don’t see how you can call this a single source. I hope GW goes and has multi source army formation in the white dwarf in the future. Its really cool. But to call them a single source for a tournament is not right.

    In our area this list and the other battle company with all the free transports have been ruling the seen.

    • Reecius
      Reecius July 15, 2015 2:30 pm #

      Yeah, the Formation has 3 factions in it, so you are totally accurate and fair in saying it isn’t a single source as it isn’t. And I agree, the drop pods are what make the army. Without them, War Convocation is 2nd tier. I think the meta will adjust with a little itme.

  11. Warmaster_Gir July 15, 2015 2:34 pm #

    Great Report! I really need to make it to the BAO next year it sounds like a blast! That War Convocation is a beast especially when you ally it with Drop Pods and an assassin

  12. fluger July 15, 2015 3:41 pm #

    Congrats. 5-0 is a huge deal.

  13. Sam July 15, 2015 3:50 pm #

    Great write up and it’s a good formation but really it’s not a whole lot of models and the majority of the units tend to be weak t3 models with poor saves. This list is just a very well rounded TAC.

    As for the age of sigmar precedence I don’t think removing points from 40k is something in our immediate future but I suspect certain trends to cross over depending on how well sigmar sells. Free rules in boxes- it already was happening on occasional units.
    Army building design without detachments or slot requirements just faction requirements.- basically unbound with a faction restriction on army building.
    campaign/scenario books Instead of rule books- this will eliminate paid codex rule books to play the game and lower the cost of entry however I fully expect competitive players will need to buy campaign books so they can get access to relics, alternate warlord traits, formations, and any scenarios or fluff they want. In the end your still going to need the books to make the most of ur army but it’s not required.
    The points system will stay unless gw magically makes a new better pointless system based on scenarios instead with age of sigmar.

  14. iNcontroL July 15, 2015 11:18 pm #

    hey guys just got home.

    Yeah those errors are pretty correct. The grav is interesting.. I practiced this list 10 times or so before the tourney and that combined with my tourney games where I explained that item and what it did specifically in conjunction with the grav unit(s) nobody so much as raised an eye when I said “reroll penetration.” Not shirking blame here just saying I wasn’t the only one that thought it worked that way.. would say it is a bit more interpretive if anything. Will obviously iron this out with Reece and co before running it that way in a tourney but I wanted to clarify this one isn’t so clear cut.

    As far as the skulls on the princeps you are 100% correct only the Infiltrator can take that.. my bad. I never outflanked my ruststalkers (or infiltrators for that matter) so this was more of a cosmetic error. The omnispex on the alpha is an interesting one as well. It says “a skitarii vanguard” and a “skitarii ranger” both of which the alpha actually IS he is just a Sargent as well. This too was a modeling thing as opposed to strategic so I feel this one is something I will clarify and remedy very easily.

    I practice a lot and I even asked Reece to check over my list for such errors but with how knew the Ad Mech stuff is it kinda went under everyones radar.. tbh it’s nice that it is now being fleshed out because while this tourney wasn’t really impacted by these things (save for the grav one.. that was a key point in a couple games) I can easily remedy these things and obviously want to!

    Thanks for the nice comments too 🙂 I had an absolute blast playing in the BAO and I cannot wait to continue to work with this army and see where it goes.

    As an aside btw.. there has been interesting discussion on all the “Free” things this list in particular gives you. The conversion fields on average saves you 1 more wound basically since they are tough 3 and the upgrades are critical on things like the Onager and of course getting the extra 3 strength 8ap3 shots on the knight are nice because you should never take them at cost the real gem is getting to use units that are pretty OK but would never make a competitive list like balistarii, rust stalkers and infiltrators and with those upgrades making them pretty darn solid at their role.. really good? No. Seriously.. you wouldn’t pay 200+ points for t3 infiltrators strictly to get objectives. That is two full units of vanguard you can drop in a pod and do similar things with but with better fire power and more staying ability.

    I really do think this list is top tier WITH THE PODS but without them specifically you will be hard pressed to see a War Convocation do well. With the pods and a solid general I absolutely agree it is top notch.. but top notch in the vain of all the other armies we see. Eldar, Marines of the various styles, Daemons, Necrons and (probably) now Dark Angels. Time will tell but I really do think it is a fun and fairly balanced (top end) list.

    • Ghost Valley July 16, 2015 10:26 pm #

      The skitarii mandatory selections are definitely a tax, though I still argue for ruststalkers as they have been the star every game I’ve played with skitarii.

      I have not done the math but does the base cost of the skitarii tax units come under the cost of what all the free gear would be? Do you find that the tax units ( as in rangers, iron strider, infiltrators and Stalkers ) become competitive with the free upgrades or do you still find them lacking after the fact?

      I guess what I am asking is if the bonuses make these units good or is it still the army wide canticles and the free wargear leaving enough for drop pods and the culexis what make this list work, and even with the free gear you would rather not have most of the skitarii units?

  15. iNcontroL July 15, 2015 11:24 pm #

    Oh and I actually disagree with your interpretation of how the Scryerskull Perspecticus works. It says “identify” and “discover” sure.. but neither of these terms are labeled with a specific meaning in any rule book. So saying your interpretation of these two words as unequivocally different is a bit odd since you seem fairly intelligent and couldn’t with a straight face tell me these two words operate on completely different planes in the english language. If I identify something I could also be discovering it and vice versa. This rule interpretation is also one I’ve shared with the numerous people I’ve seen run the War Convocation including Reece who helps interpret/decide these rules.. now that isn’t to say we are right and you are wrong but I would argue that saying we definitively ran it incorrectly when all you have to go off of with that is YOUR interpretation on those two words seems a bit off. If I am wrong here let me know.. again my intent is NOT to cheat or run things intentionally wrong I will follow the rule of the letter but on things like this I would ask we approach it a bit more openly than “you were wrong and I am right.” Unless you know.. that IS the case and you can show me a page or something!

    • RealGeniusJim July 17, 2015 5:56 am #

      So I am a bit confused on the Scryerskull. Did BAO use Mysterious Objectives? Or were you picking Maelstrom objectives?

      I’ve thought it was neat, but with the grav limitation, not that useful for tournament games.

      I read the interaction of that WL trait and relic the same, it seems that you can identify and when you identify you can pick instead of rolling. Seems pretty clear to me.

      PS: Tell your editor it is spelled “canticle”. 🙂

  16. CaptainA July 16, 2015 6:34 am #

    Good job Geoff! Nice write up!

  17. Jural July 16, 2015 2:35 pm #

    Are you saying that if you played better your Assassin would have been more useful, or are you saying most players get very little out of the Culexis because they haven’t mastered the finer points of the game?

    Reading the reports it looks like the Culexis was hit or miss, and really either got absurdly lucky or unlucky game by game.

    Would you take the Culexis again, or could the points have been better spent somewhere else?

  18. Ibushi July 16, 2015 2:56 pm #

    Fantastic army, love the feel and usefulness of it all — getting beyond rock/paper/scissors and winning in the spirit of the game, love it all the more!

    Also really keen to hear more on the Culexus and whether you would change up your list or tactics there. I have been tempted to convert a Croneworld Eldar version and try running him next to some Eldar to see what happens, but without the drop pod option I can’t quite bring myself to.

    Does BAO use mysterious objectives, or does the Ad Mech trait let you use one of their characteristics on a chosen objective? If so, that is pretty nifty.

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