Getting Back To My Centstar Roots

Hey everybody, Captain A here with some thoughts on what I’m planning on bringing to BAO. The BAO is going to be a great tournament this next weekend in San Jose, CA. They’ve been sold out for quite some time now and the waiting list is still…er waiting to get into this prestigious event. I went last year and did miserably with a subpar list that almost won a lot of games but almost doesn’t cut. Especially when you got some grandiose ideas in the works.

At the beginning of this year’s ITC I had planned on just playing my list from the LVO. I had some serious doubts though when I played in a smaller tournament with the new ITC format and saw how my list struggled with the new maelstrom and also struggled with some of the new bonus missions. Both of which favor MSU style builds. I also felt and know the list struggles against certain types of builds – Drop Pods and Web Way Portal Eldar for instance. I thought it was the end of the Centstar as I knew it.

wargamesconSo when Wargames Con came around I took a very strong Necron list and did pretty good, but also felt that my old Centstar list would have done as good or even better against the lists I faced. I also know that I probably won’t be gracing the top podium when faced against the likes of many top tier players, so I need to play my own game and do 40k for me. Setting my own goals and living my own 40k life. You can’t tell me what to do mom!


New Censtar New Dilema

I’ve been tinkering like a mad scientist for quite some time trying to come up with a list that is close to what I was playing, still had Grey Knight primary, and had a shot at placing in the top ten of an event, which is what you need to score ITC points.

I can go heavy in GK or in one of my other detachment choices, but I need maelstrom power, killing power, and maneuverability. You know, everything!

So I’ve tried a few things and have some ideas in the back burner but model wise I have to act fast as the BAO is looming. Here are some things I’ve tried and some ideas I have to keep the Censtar and still rock the casbah.

Librarius Conclave

This formation is hilarious. For 345 pts you can get Tigurius and two mastery level 2 Librarians. In the ITC you can only cast as many powers as your mastery level so if you want to take advantage of casting on a 2+ then you can only cast through one character and therefore only three powers max. Even so with the Conclave, my GK Librarian and Loth I was able to get Invisibility, Perfect Timing, Forewarning, Sanctuary and cast a couple of shooting powers as well. Made the star nigh invulnerable but all that went to crap when Loth periled on three of four casts of Invisibility and killed himself. It is what it is.

The problem I see with the Conclave is that it bloats the Star but doesn’t necessarily get its points back. I’ve tried with getting more shooting powers like Psychic Shriek, Smite, and Assail, but even so, those points took away from the rest of the army in terms of scoring and killing. Even so it was hilarious to be reliably casting so many powers.


Mechanicum.1I’ve also been toying with adding Cult Mechanicus and taking out the Cents to make a Destroyerstar. The army looks like:

GK – Nemesis Strike Force

Libby – ML3/Halberd

5 Strikes

2 Dreadknights – Teleporter/Hammer/Incinerator


Librarius Conclave


2 ML2 Librarians

Cult Mechanicus


4 Kataphron Destroyers – Heavy Grav/Phosphor Blasters

Kastelan Robot Maniple – Phosphor for days

Lots of shooting, tons of grav, especially if I get Perfect Timing, still GK primary, but alas, I don’t have the models.


All of this theorizing and practicing is fine, but I need to commit to something. So this leads to what I’m planning on taking to BAO. Take a peak.

Skyhammer Centstar of Doom!

t3nwGK – Nemesis Strike Force

Libby – ML3/Hammer

5 Strikes – 1 Incinerator

1 Dreadknight – Teleporter/Hammer/Incinerator/Psycannon


Allied Space Marines

Sevrin Loth

10 Scouts

Drop Pod

3 Cents – Grav/Omniscope

Skyhammer Annihilation Force

5 Devs – Drop Pod/2 Gravcannon

5 Devs – Drop Pod/2 Gravcannon/Multimelta

5 Assault Marines – 2 Flamers

5 Assault Marines – 2 Flamers

So I still have my old Star that I am very familiar with, 10 scouts that can go in the drop pod, combat squad, drop the empty pod, infiltrate or whatever depending upon the mission. One trusty Dreadknight that is going to be Deep Striking more likely than not and the Skyhammer Annihilation Force. Cheese with my cheese yes please! I’ve seen what the Skyhammer can do and it can be pretty brutal. I feel this gives a lot of flexibility in the areas I am interested in and helps shore up some weaknesses against some of the more dangerous combos out there.

But What About…?

31312498.TerraCottaArmywideanglecopyI know what some might say, what about armies X, Y, and Z? Yes, there is going to be an army X, Y, and Z that will give me problems but the fact of the matter of it is I may not face one army like that, or I may face 5 out of the 5 games I play. In playing as many tournaments lately as I have, I’ve seen such a variety of lists. It is actually a cool thing. Wargames Con I faced Ork Bikes, Knights and DA Deathstar, Trip Raven BA, Eldar/Tau Firebase, and Drop Pod Marines. LVO was Flyer killy Tau, Decurion Necrons, Nurgle Flying Circus, DA/IG Obsec Madness, and Tau Triptide. Just a Games Con was CAD Necrons, Tyrants, and Space Wolves. These armies were all over the place and super varied. Even the ones that were from the same faction were vastly different.

I think my point is that you probably can’t make a list that is excellent against every possible list out there. For the average gamer (of which I am proudly a member of) I think you need a strong list that will have a chance against many lists, but more importantly play to the missions. The chances of playing a list that is a hard counter to your army is probably pretty small. There is so much randomness in this game that trying to cover every base will just give you headaches. Practice against as many lists as you can, tool your list to win the missions, know your rules and what other key units/formations are and you should be fine.

Or screw it all and play your game and for your own goals and reasons. For me, I hope to have a winning record at BAO at least and attempt to crack the top ten. I think I will have a better shot than last year and at the very least look forward to seeing old friends, taking a road trip, and playing a ton of games next weekend. See you there!

About CaptainA

Aaron is a longtime gamer of many systems. He is an avid community builder of 40k and after running many 40k events in Portland, Oregon, has recently moved to Boise, Idaho and continues to host and run leagues and events. He has also recently expanded his repertoire and entered the second hand Warhammer business. Check out his website at to see how he can help you get rid off your old and unused models.

15 Responses to “Getting Back To My Centstar Roots”

  1. fluger July 4, 2015 12:37 pm

    I think you should stick to Necrons, but that’s me. I like the ideas of the lists you are proposing though. Do you think you’ll have enough play test time to sharpen up on it in time for the event?

    • CaptainA July 4, 2015 12:46 pm

      Although I love my Crons, I don’t see any chance of doing anything with them as like at least 2 of the top ten ITC players are doing Crons and both have almost 400 points. Just being realistic. I think this is my best bet as I have the most experience with my Centstar as it is and know how it works and plays. The Skyhammer will be new, but I should be able to get a few games in with it before BAO.

      • Jeremy Veysseire
        MikhailLenin July 4, 2015 1:02 pm

        I think the Skyhammer flexbility in counter deploy will be huge for the centstar. At least thats my theory.

      • jy2
        jy2 July 4, 2015 6:21 pm

        Hey CaptainA, looks like you will be challenging me for the top Grey Knight player. 😉

        Here’s a little hint for your enemy-deepstriking-alpha/beta-strike-woes. It’s this dude named Coteaz. He doesn’t always work against everything, but he’ll keep opponent’s out of rapid-fire range as well as the douche-scythe webway crap. 😀

        • CaptainA July 4, 2015 10:43 pm

          I was using Coteaz for a bit, but he rarely came into play. Taking away that one source hurt me more than what he offered IMO.

  2. Dan Racker July 6, 2015 12:59 am

    I would not consider the BAO to be a “great” tournament, the prize support is miserable and stingy at best. The BOA falls into the category of a money-maker-tourney. They charge you 60 bucks and if you are in top 3 you get a sweet wooden plack.
    Whoopdee-fricken do -_-
    I could find a better prize and a god damn yard sale. The players are are chill but I found the absolute lack of thought for prizes a joke. Winner got a Warhound Titan, awesome for him.. well what about all the other players who were a dice roll away from winning and didnt, besides there was alot of talk about the winner cheating folks. Overall a money sham. Felt like I got fisted with a warhammer 40k infomercial that promised a box of space marines and sent me a single nurgling.

    Do your self a favor and promote tournaments that take care of the people who pay to have it run. Not the BAO…

    • Reecius
      Reecius July 6, 2015 8:28 am

      Sigh, every time I see these arguments I just face-palm. You are speaking from a position of almost complete ignorance. We gave away THOUSANDS of dollars in prizes at the BAO, and make little to no money on the events. You have no clue how expensive it is to run these events, it costs thousands of dollars to rent the facility, buy, build, paint and store the terrain, make trophies, rent vans to get to and from the event, pay for hotel rooms for staff, etc. etc. etc. The money you pay to attend the event goes to paying the overhead of the event, you are paying to enjoy the experience. If you want “prizes” for your money, just buy some more toys and stay home. You don’t go to a tournament and expect to get your ticket price back in prizes just for showing up as that would not leave any money left to actually run the event…obviously.

      Before you cast stones, take the time to educate yourself as to what you are speaking of to not sound so entitled and lacking in gratitude for the hard work and huge risk we take to run these events. If you want a participation trophy, go back to playing in little league.

      • fluger July 6, 2015 9:50 am


    • Hotsauceman1 July 6, 2015 1:46 pm

      I will agree with you about the winner last year. Several people I meet who play with him requlary said he is known for cheating and dishonestly.
      but seriously, you don’t go to gt for prizes, but fun. That and seeing Reece in a dress.

    • winterman July 6, 2015 1:51 pm

      “Do your self a favor and promote tournaments that take care of the people who pay to have it run. Not the BAO…”

      So don’t promote the BAO…on the webage for the BAO…

      The troll is strong with this one.

      • Reecius
        Reecius July 6, 2015 2:57 pm

        Yeah, no kidding. Typically these types of comments don’t bug me, but this one was particularly jerk-ish. I always want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but this one was really rude.

    • Raw Dogger July 6, 2015 7:56 pm

      I like the cut of your jib, Dan Racker. You would be my mvp in any tournament.

  3. Ming July 6, 2015 9:43 am

    I like the BAO list, but…I’m an East Coaster…I’m thinking you are spreading your skill sets (units) too thin / getting inefficient on points use? I almost feel like the assault marines are equipped with flamers as an afterthought / not enough points to do them up better. Since the formation they are part of drops in as a group to wreck / annihilate the opponent’s day, it looks like you are relying on the grav guns to set up a De-mech-then-flame-then-assault? You may not have enough there to really pull that off effectively, then losing as many as 8 units in the response…the power of the formation is to really use it as a hammer rather than a speed bump or distraction. Use it like you mean it. Maybe a start is to swap out 5 scouts and use the points saved to bolster the SHAF. Swap out the MM in the one dev unit for added points to play with…

    Spot on with Reece’s comments on FLGs’ events. I can appreciate the costs and logistics of what you put on, and they are (from my far vantage) awesome. Hopefully I can get out across the Mississippi some day to experience at least the LVO. Its a dream…

    • CaptainA July 6, 2015 12:14 pm

      Good thoughts. Some of it is models and availability of stuff.

      • Hotsauceman1 July 6, 2015 1:47 pm

        Give the assault marines melta bombs tbh.