BigPig on the New Nids

tyranid.01

Hey everyone.  Bigpig here to talk Tyranidturkey and take a look at what all the Tyranid players have been viewing as an early Thanksgiving. Check out the Tactics Corner for more great articles!

Recently I reviewed the first wave of releases added to the Tyranid lines and had originally intended to take a look at the second wave of releases, but with GW firing out new models and rules faster than a hormagaunt chasing down a fat guardsman the Internets are already abuzz with everyone’s opinion, informed and otherwise, about what works and what doesn’t.  By the time I complete this piece, the Leviathan supplement will probably be hitting the shelves with new rules, formations, detachments, and (yes!) Warlord Traits.  Many changes.

So, rather than redo all the work already done by the various online pundits about the strengths and weaknesses of the various units, let  me only take a moment to quickly summarize the new units and then take on the more important task about what the big changes in the second wave mean for the way the Tyranid army is played.

  • Mucolid Spores:  Dirt cheap, deep striking, multiwound, and a troop choice that lets you fill two troop requirements for only 30pts.  In min troop lists these may replace Rippers as the go to placeholder.  Thanks to “Living Bomb” rule they can’t score or contest, but they can do some cool damage when need be.    Grade:  B-
  • Sporocysts:  What?  What the hell do I do with these?  Everyone is sure there is a use for these beyond cool theme games but is still struggling to find them.  A neat idea but just might not have enough punch or utility to justify the cost and, more importantly, Heavy Support slot.   Grade:  C
  • Bigger Zoanthrope Broods:  They can be taken in larger broods now.  Problem is people rarely took them in broods of more than 1.  Being able to spore in a tac nuke unit may make you take more than 1 now, but going up to 6 is unlikely.  Zoans still remain a valid choice, just don’t think increased brood size is that big a deal.  Grade:  B
  • Neurothrope:  Not the Doom, not even close, so stop calling it “Return of Doom”, “Doom 2.0”, “Doomlite”, etc.  Psychic Shriek, however, is one of the better witchfires so this as a delivery system is not a bad thing.  Its power dice creating feature probably won’t gain you dice most of the time so don’t count on it.  Grade:  B
  • Tyrannocytes:  This is the big one, of course.  Tyrannocytes single tentacledly change the character of the Tyranid army and are the focus of the rest of this article.  So let’s dive right in .  Grade:  A

The old face of Tyranids

Prior to this week, Tyranids in 7th edition could be generally characterized by the following profile;  An army played most effectively as Monstrous Creature or flyer spam, with short to midrange, high volume, mid strength firepower.   The army was durable but slow to move across the board (with the exception of FMCs which are the opposite on both points).  This lack of speed leads to issues with grabbing far objectives and reacting to an extremely mobile force.  In fact, I would classify pre-Tyranocyte Tyranids as a mostly reactive army.   Alternatively, you could call it a “beta strike” or “counter strike” army, but the premise is the same;  Be tough enough to survive the first hit and then deliver a telling counter blow.  My discussion on the Trapdoor Spider playstyle gives several examples of why this is the case.   Missions with a large number of objectives, such as Scouring, were particularly difficult, as was the Hammer and Anvil deployment because of the extra ground to cover.   Nids found it difficult to ferret out enemies hiding out of line of sight and out of range, or those who just refused to come and play, forcing you to plod forward at 6” a turn.

This need to react and play catch up to the opponent’s alpha strikes and movement is why the durability of Monstrous Creatures lent itself so well to success with the army.  MCs have the ability to soak up that fire or plod across the board to objectives and make it in reasonable fighting shape.

This need to be reactive is also why swarm tactics have fallen out of favor in 7th for nids.  Hormagaunts, Genestealers, and Termagaunts just aren’t durable enough to slog across the board and come to grips with the enemy in the face of all the 7th edition firepower out there.  Bodies over bullets just doesn’t work when there are more bullets than bodies.  I used to love playing swarm lists a couple years back but after Eldar/Tau, they just couldn’t cut it.   Obviously I’m speaking in general terms here and there will always be friendly metas or tournaments where the players present, missions, and tables combine to favor or allow another playstyle to succeed.   A lictor list dominated at a recent 11th Company tournament, after all.

Overnight, Tyrannocytes change that.  This is no surprise as the Tyranid “drop pod” existed in the previous edition.  I played the fifth edition codex with a drop element and had a lot of fun with a null deploy all drop list for a while.  With the loss of spores in the new codex, I immediately noticed the shift in our mobility and had to struggle for a while to figure out how make the reactive army durable enough to work.  Not any more.  The following assessment of how Tyrannocytes will change Tyranid playstyle is based upon experience playing with Mycetic Spores of our last codex, discussing the experiences of others, and good old fashioned Internet arrogance and theoryhammer.  The differences between new and old spores could bring out new ideas that we haven’t thought of yet, but this is a good place to start.

The new face of Tyranids:   Alpha Strike

The big change from Tyrannocytes is that Tyranids can now be played as an alpha strike army.  Nids have some of the best mid-range firepower in the game in the form of Brainleech Devourers and can also field quite a few Template/Torrent weapons.   Even the basic guns are relatively powerful, including the Deathspitter on warriors and Fleshborers on the lowly Termagaunt.   Again the problem with these has always been getting them into range intact.  Tyrannocytes let us do that.

In order to make an alpha strike work you need to commit to it fully.  You must arrange for all of your elements to arrive at the enemy at the same time so they can deliver a telling, coordinated blow.  If applying the Nine Principles of War (MOOSEMUSS) to 40k concepts, this would be described as “Mass.”  Ensure you deliver sufficient force at the correct time and place to ensure victory.   Many players will make the mistake of dropping one or two big scary monsters in the enemy’s back lines but have nothing else there to support their attack.  These models will often be quickly eliminated, before doing any damage at all in the case of melee oriented beasties.  This can be ok if they are there to perform a suicide mission (see Surgical Insertion below), but is a waste if you are counting on them to stick around.

The best way to ensure sufficient mass is to bring a variety of elements together and control their arrival.  To this end, we first need to control reserves.  There is speculation that Shield of Baal: Leviathan will bring a formation which gives Tyrannoctyes the “Drop Assault” rule, like drop pods.  Until that transpires, we want to make certain as many Tyrannocytes as possible arrive on turn 2.  Tyranids have two choices here, Swarmlord and Comms Relay.  Swarmlord is pricey and suffers from the big scary monster that moves 6” a turn syndrome.   His ability does work if he’s off the board so you could put him in a spore too if you want, not my first choice though.  Comms relay seems to be the better choice.  I would buy it with an Aegis Line or an Imperial Bunker.   Both options will run you well under 100pts and also allow your smaller Turn 1 elements to be more durable to an enemy alpha strike.

The next way to deliver mass is to follow the three rules of a gunfight;  “1.  Bring a gun.  2. Bring an extra gun.  3. Bring all your friends with guns.”    Basically, deliver a lot of firepower and options to deal with a variety of targets.  Accomplish this by simultaneously dropping in at minimum three Tyrannocytes and cargo.  This gives you 6 targets in the enemy’s face overwhelming target priority and putting out the hurt.  Good alpha striking units to deliver include Dakkafex, Tyrannofex, Devourer armed Termagaunts, and Zoanthropes.

Combine that with board elements moving forward.  Think of this like a pincer move.   The best source for this is Flying Monstrous Creatures that started on the board on turn 1.  You can either move them after the drops to fill holes OR move them first to fill open areas and minimize scatter of the Tyrannocytes (inexpensive Mucolids can do this too).  Another option to deliver something different is to put an Escape Hatch on the bunker you purchased for the Relay.  Put that escape hatch 12” forward (midfield) and start something fast and scary like Genestealers, poisonous Hormagaunts, or Bonesword Shrikes inside.  On turn 2 they can probably get to grips with the enemy and assault as they get to deploy from the hatch which should be right in board center.  Lastly, Mawlocs suddenly became more useful.  As a cheap MC and a very viable answer to invisible deathstars Mawlocs have a place, but their tendency to miss and get shot up unsupported left them in the second string.  Now they can hit on turn 2 with the rest of the alpha strike.  Just make sure to drop them in first.

I should mention delivering melee units like Hormagaunts, Stealers, Toxicrenes, Haruspex (yeah, I said it), and Dimachaerons in Tyrannocytes.  While potentially a valid option and a way to get these dangerous units in your opponent’s face right away, these will not impact your mass on the turn you come down.   Make sure you support them or protect them.  One option could be to drop them but shield them with a dropped Malanthrope or Venomthropes, basically setting up a deep striking beta strike army.  That gets expensive fast as the Tyrannocytes are not exactly a cheap transport.  Perhaps a single melee element dropped in to mop up the turn after the shooting alpha strike is a better option.

Here is a rough-hewn sample Alpha Strike army at 1850pts.  It’s a stab and needs playtest but is a place to start.

Tyrant;  Wings, 2xBrainleach worms, Warlord

Tyrant;  Wings, 2xBrainleach worms

30 Termagaunts

Tervigon; Troop, Crushing Claws, Electroshock grubs  (pod)

Malanthrope

3 Zoanthrope (pod)

Carnifex; 2xBrainleach worms  (pod)

Carnifex; 2xBrainleach worms  (pod)

Mawloc

4x Tyrannocyte

The basic approach to this single CAD list is to start both Tyrants, the Malanthrope, and the Termagaunts on the board in terrain, near or in the bunker and near a placed objective.  Everything else in reserve.  The Malanthrope can hop into the bunker if you like.  Turn 2, most of your elements will come in for a hard hitting alpha strike with multiple options.  You will have 48 TL Brainleach, the Mawloc, 3 Warp Lances, 60 Deathspitter, ESG, and however many Gaunts get spawned by the Tervigon unloading in the enemy face.  You combine high volume, ignores cover, and lance elements at whatever point on the board you need them.  The Malanthrope and Gaunts camp the backfield.

 

The new face of Tyranids:   Surgical Insertion

The next option now available to Tyranids is less playstyle and more of a tactic.  This is surgical insertion, which can be either offensive or tactical.  Both options are used to supplement a more traditional Tyranid approach such Trapdoor Spider an advancing MC spam, with a drop element.  The offensive insertion is used to deliver a tac nuke into the enemy where it proceeds to remove a key element.  The classic ‘nid example of this is dropping a spore with a couple of Zoanthropes in it to take out a Land Raider or other big AV14 target.  Alternatively you could take out a smaller target that you would otherwise play hell trying to get to.  Examples of this are dug in Thunderfire cannons or enemy objective campers hiding in corners or out of line of sight like scouts or 5 man tac squads.  When going after smaller enemies, try to remember the flipside of mass, which is Economy of Force, and don’t overcommit resources better spent elsewhere.  Typically, your offensive surgical insertions are designed to be throw away units.  They will make their strike and complete their mission.  After that, you would love for them to live, but if they don’t its ok.  This is why they can drop in unsupported.

A viable way to play the offensive Surgical Insertion options may be to take two Tyrannocytes;  One with two or three Zoans and one with a less expensive cargo like a fistful of gaunts.  The Zoans can go target the high value enemy nut which is tough to crack.  The Termagaunts can go after the small unit that is dug into a hard to reach spot.

Tactical surgical insertion is used to put our units in tactically advantageous positions and not to make an offensive play against enemy units.  This will usually be done to claim far flung objectives or secure linebreaker.  You will be dropping single pods and their cargo, unsupported across the board.  The MC Tyrannocyte and its payload can be pretty tough to shift.  Just be cautious and remember synapse.   An interesting option for tactical insertion may be to drop a Sporocyte.  For 150pts you bring 12 wounds of T5 and 10 guns to the board and put it on an objective.  This can be pretty difficult for some enemies to deal with using the small reactive elements that typically go after objective grabbers, especially if the rest of your army coming at them.  This one is just theory hammer at this point, but seems fun.

One final point is that Surgical Insertions really benefit from the fact that Tyrannocytes are not dedicated transports.  You can decide what goes in them at deployment.  This means you could take that pair of Zoans and just deploy them as backfield synapse or psykers and put something else in the spore if the enemy doesn’t field viable Warp Blast targets.   The game is often won or lost during deployment and our ability to decide what goes in the pods and what doesn’t each game will make that even more decisive.  Remember to put effort into deciding if and why you want to deep strike your units

Concerns

There are several new concerns which come up when using Tyrannocytes to create an offensive, go out and meet the enemy, playstyle which aren’t as prevalent in the way Tyranids have been played since 7th edition came out.

Synapse:  Yes, synapse has always been an issue and the punitive chart in our recent codex made that even more apparent.  The slow moving blob or MC spam approach that many Tyranid players have taken to this point has helped to minimize the impact.  With an alpha strike drop army, however, synapse is going to be the biggest problem you face.   With your army effectively split into two components, the home camp which started on the board and the meet and great drop element, you need to plan synapse for both.  This means planning for redundant synapse as skilled players will know to kill the brain bugs if you leave yourself light in certain area.  The scattering of the drop units could also space your elements out enough that a tight web may be hard to make.  Just keep this in mind when the units come down so the guys that need babysitting like a large unit of Devourer Gaunts don’t get left without a babysitter.

Redeploying:  Despite the added versatility granted by Tyrannocytes in grabbing initial board position, Tyranids will still be a slow army.  Once down, most of the elements can only move 6” a turn and, unlike a marine drop army, we don’t have the fast redeploying support units.  Keep this in mind if you face an army that can run away from you or if you will need to move to objectives in the later turns.

Minimal deploy alpha strike armies:  These are a pain if you go first, of course, because most of their heavy lifters will be off the board when yours come down.  This just becomes one of the hazards of playing a list more oriented towards rock, paper, scissors play (which an alpha strike drop army is).  If you see this across the table, you may want to change the way you deploy and go back to a more traditional Trapdoor Spider style approach and drop empty pods onto scattered far objectives, keeping the rest of your offensive force together to weather their alpha and hit back hard.

Deployment space:  Because we are deploying Monstrous Creatures out of the pod there is a very real danger of not having enough room to place the model on a bad scatter.  This removes it from play as destroyed.  For this reason, I really like the Carnifex with double brainleech.  It has a much smaller base than the 6 wound models and is easier to fit into tight spaces.  This is also why I would never drop in a Hierodule, even though you can per RAW; Too much risk of not being able to place that huge base.  To minimize risk, carefully consider the order in which you bring them down, maybe dropping the big base models first.

Getting shot off the board:  Unless we get a formation with the drop assault rule, be very careful to ensure what you have on the board can survive the first turn alpha.   Enough said on that.

That’s a healthy start to it.  So what do you think?  Do you agree that this is a huge change to the way that Tyranids are played?  How will you use Tyrannocytes?  Any cool list ideas?

Tags:

About Reecius

The fearless leader of the intrepid group of gamers gone retailers at Frontline Gaming!

25 Responses to “BigPig on the New Nids”

  1. bigpig November 18, 2014 9:33 pm #

    Whoops. That list should have a bunker and comma relay. Forgot to list it

  2. AbusePuppy November 18, 2014 11:50 pm #

    This sort of list has some possibilities, but I don’t think it will displace the FMC list for a couple of reasons. First, starting small numbers of models on the table can be very risky. Three MCs with four wounds each and 30 Termagants really isn’t that many bodies to have on the table early, and if the other player goes first (either natively or by Seizing) you could be in a LOT of trouble. Getting completely tabled isn’t _too_ likely, but it’s certainly a possibility; what’s more common would be to simply have your forces torn up so badly that you either can’t man the Comms Relay (making your reserves very unreliable) or don’t have the Synapse/firepower to back up your first wave of models.

    Second, as you noted, a lot of existing armies have strong defenses against this sort of “alpha strike” strategy; a Wave Serpent army will simply laugh off your firepower, for example, since at best you’re glancing on 6s followed by a 3+ cover save; Tau will Intercept you pretty hard, probably killing off a lot of your firepower before it gets to do anything; Knights are essentially immune to most of your firepower and can make short work of your MCs; etc. With so many strategic disadvantages, it would seem hard to look at the list as anything but a casual army.

    If a formation does give Tyrannocytes arriving on turn 1, that could alleviate some of the issues and change things significantly, but it will depend on what the formation’s requirements/bonuses are and so forth, so I think it’s rather premature to speculate.

    • bigpig November 19, 2014 2:39 am #

      I hear ya. not saying that this takes us to tier 1, just saying it gives a nother way to play which has options. As noted in the article it can be rather rock paper scissors

  3. Bassface7 November 19, 2014 12:31 am #

    “This is also why I would never drop in a Hierodule, even though you can per RAW”

    I thought the Hierodule was a gargantuan creature, so can’t be put in a pod?

    Good article, but i think like most people you’re overestimating the impact the spores will have on Tyranid gameplay. Spores are just so dang expensive and present too many problems of their own: What happens when all of your pods come in… except the ones with Synapse creatures? T2 a significant chunk of your army could be out of your direct control.

    Obviously time and playtesting will ultimately tell but my prediction is that you won’t see more than 1-2 pods in competitive ‘nid lists

    • bigpig November 19, 2014 9:22 am #

      I agree with you. I think most players will stick with something very similar to what they have right now and supplement with a surgical insertion of one or two pods to deal with enemy backfield troublemakers. going for an alpha strike list is effective but as you point out it is very susceptible to rock paper scissors matchups. regardless, I’m still very pleased to see that we have a nother viable playstyle available to us. None of this is top tier stuff but it is still effective

    • bigpig November 19, 2014 10:50 am #

      gargantuan creatures are monstrous creatures.

      • AbusePuppy November 20, 2014 2:23 am #

        I don’t think that’s true. They share many of the same rules, and in past editions it may have been, but I don’t believe there is any “crossover” in the 7E book.

        • bigpig November 20, 2014 8:09 am #

          Don’t have the book in front of me but it says that they “are monstrous creatures.” May just be a poorly worded way to say they follow several of the same rules but the way it’s written makes them a subclass of MCs.

  4. iNcontroL November 19, 2014 1:11 am #

    I don’t really see pods completely changing tyranid play immediately. I mean, I agree with a lot of what you said but I’d draw the line at this new change will give OPTIONS to tyranids but I don’t see the standard list suddenly including 1-2 or 3-4 pods. I still think skyblight / “trapdoor” as you call it 😉 styled lists will remain supreme. The real Doom gave nids some serious firepower to drop down reliably and with his wound counter going up he could stand alone. Now Nids NEED malanthropes/venomthropes to stand at all and podding them in individually is ludicrous. Mawloc support, Flyrant synergy (coordinating when/where they fly to give synapse to the podded forces) and then dropping in durable things (tyrannofex?) is all viable but it becomes your entire list pretty quick. All that said you just kinda die if you face a Tau player and there are many other lists floating around where dropping in would be silly.. do I HAVE to take a squad of 6 zoanthropes + a neurothrope if I am facing ANY knight at all? Otherwise my tyrannofex, dima, carnifex etc.. all are completely lost in that pod. That wouldn’t be AS much of an issue if pods weren’t so expensive OR what I am dropping in can stand by itself (doom).

    I dunno… I like the options/possibilities but I actually think my list for LVO is unaffected by this. I’m hoping for future synergy and I’d love it if some of my fellow Nid players proved me wrong.

    • bigpig November 19, 2014 2:39 am #

      brother please! If anyone can make it work its you 🙂

  5. iNcontroL November 19, 2014 3:02 am #

    btw really dig the article 🙂 Awesome to have a skilled and successful nid player like yourself willing to go so in depth.. this stuff helps supplement play testing A LOT. I am excited to see if the “new doom” can make a difference and if the new formations/warlord traits will do the same… I’d LOVE some nid WL traits that are worth a damn. Turning jungles that nobody plays with into spooky scary woods is.. laughable.

  6. jamie November 19, 2014 3:08 am #

    u have 2 DS first as its mandatory so pods come in then u move but its a good idea to fill the gaps with those flying units and add fire power it gives people something 2 think about n its something ill use 😀

  7. slaede November 19, 2014 2:12 pm #

    The 11th Company GT was just won by Nids using Lictor spam and triple Mawlocs coming in off a comms relay. Except for a very few, most Nid players never played up the potential for exploiting the comms relay. If anything, the new spores and tyrannocytes make the relay alpha strike even better.

    • Sean Nayden November 21, 2014 10:41 am #

      Yeah Lictors are the best rawr!

      But seriously I won 11th company with 9 of them.
      Battle reports here: http://vectdoes.blogspot.com/

      • Reecius
        Reecius November 21, 2014 1:30 pm #

        That is bad ass, well done!

        • Sean Nayden November 21, 2014 3:12 pm #

          Thanks. Ill have them with me most likely in February at the LVO.

  8. TinBane November 19, 2014 2:40 pm #

    Interesting read, bigpig! Thanks for taking the time to write it up.

    How do the tyranocytes price, point wise? Are they in line with drop pods, or a more expensive option? Do you think we’ll see them tricked out with decent guns, or are they always going to be as cheap as possible?

    • bigpig November 19, 2014 3:54 pm #

      Thanks. They are expensive at 75 points, but I think they are fairly priced as they are more durable than drop pods and can move after they fall down to get to a closer objective if need be or block lanes of fire. they also have a lot more firepower than a drop pod. I think because of the price we won’t see them in the same volume as we do with something like the 7 drop pod Marine list. Lastly I would take them only with the base gun partially for cost but also because having to shoot the closest target means the blasts are likely to drift back onto the spore or the payload it was carrying

      • TinBane November 19, 2014 4:41 pm #

        Cool, thanks for the info.
        I know the feeling, the dreadclaw is amazing, but it’s also pricy, so you can’t afford to start spamming them.

      • VonCrown November 20, 2014 11:23 am #

        I feel like the base pods pay a lot for their firepower, but BS2 makes it fairly inefficient. I think you actually get a lot of bang for your buck with the gun upgrades, and particularly the idea of dropping in a position and forcing pinning tests on 2+ units is pretty mouth-watering, if admittedly situational.

        I also think I don’t mind the idea of barbed stranglers scattering back onto a MC payload that much, it’s not terribly likely to do all that much when it does happen. It’s definitely more of a risk if you’re podding in gants, but… I don’t see myself doing that much.

      • Jural November 21, 2014 1:31 pm #

        I have had a Tyrannocyte put hull points on vehicles and kill enemy models every single game. 15 STR 5 shots, even at BS 2, just really is decent. I don’t think a Tyrannocyte has ever made up it’s point value, lol… but I have been surprised that they aren’t totally useless 😉

        Can’t see upgrading the weapons to venom cannons or barbed stranglers… Now 5X Heavy venom cannons would have been a serious consideration, even at +30-50 points.

  9. jonathan November 21, 2014 5:45 am #

    Can’t assault out of an escape hatch – but the same principle applies for the threat of a turn 3 assault right after the drop pods come down. Other than that, very sound tactical advice.

    • bigpig November 21, 2014 12:31 pm #

      Don’t have rules in front of me. Doesn’t it have the repel boa
      rders rule or does he escape hatch specifically exclude that and I missed it

  10. Jural November 21, 2014 12:06 pm #

    tl:dr– I think the pods make some of the *meh* parts of the codex more fun to play, and I can introduce models which basically had little use in friendly to quasi-competitive games. They can likely even help out some power builds… but you aren’t putting your 2 Flyrants, Barbed Hierodule, Ripper Swarms, or Malanthrope in them… so your options become a bit limited

    Long story- I’m having fun with my (so-far proxied) double spore pod lists. And have had a few thoughts along the way in my 3 games. Obviously I have been trying more “surgical strikes” than overwheming alpha striking with only two spores.

    Also- some of the below I’ve tested, some I’ve just thought about… Also, I haven’t combined my spores with a Hierodule yet; I think we need to really get the most out of the codex.

    1- The Tervigon in a pod is a great unit to drop deep. I put crushing claws on mine. The firepower of strategically placed gaunts with a synapse backing them up is excellent. It doesn’t solve the Tervigon issues (too expensive, takes an HQ slot or has a 120 point tax…), but it starts giving him a lot of utility.
    2- The Exocrine in a pod ends up being 2-3X better than it ever was before. Rear armor is wonderful for an Exocrine, no questions asked (I have been playing that he counts as moving when deployed from the pod… but honestly speaking I’m not even 100% sure that’s true… if not even better.)
    3- Multiple Zoanthropes outside of a pod really are still terrible. I ran 2 pods and 2 squads of Zoanthropes, and the Zoanthropes left on the table have been liabilities in many games, ineffective in others
    4- If you are advance with some protected mobility (Flyrants in shrouded range, for example), with the threat of backfield spores, you can get a great second turn hit in. I have used Mawlocs to augment this… but I’m thinking a Trygon would be even better. Price is an issue… but I think this may be the best way to field a Trygon Prime with the Poisoned Template thing! OK… the Trygon Prime still sucks… but I can actually imagine using him in a fun list now.

    The one thing which really kills me about the pods- you can only carry 20 models but you need 30 gaunts to unlock the Tervigon as a troop. Thanks GW…

    • bigpig November 21, 2014 12:38 pm #

      GoI’d comments jural. I appreciate the playtesting updates. I like the prime with that relic template too but he’s so expensive. The exorcize on rear armor is something I hadn’t considered. I do agree with you that it counts as moving and I think that’s the way the rules read unless it changed in 7th and I didn’t notice. honestly I think we may be better off not having a drop assault rule. It’s better to try and get all of your resources in in one turn or on turn to supported by the flyrant.

Leave a Reply