BAO Exit Poll Data

As always, we ask our community for feedback on how we did at our event and what, if any, changes they want to see going forward!

 So we sent the poll out to all registered players that attended the event, but got a smaller return on it than usual, but a number of folks reported that they didn’t get it in their email, which would account for the lower sample group. However, we still got a 36% response rate which is pretty solid.

Also, please note the actual questions and responses were longer on the poll than shown here as I trimmed them down to avoid having too much text on the actual graphs.

First and most important: did you enjoy yourself at the BAO?


Well, that was a resounding yes. Nice!

Next up, how did folks like the new venue?

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Again, very high marks. Excellent!

How did players like the blended Maelstrom and Eternal War missions?

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Again, not a single overtly negative response, nice! A large majority of voters said they loved the missions, which is excellent.

Did players enjoy having Lords of War at the BAO?

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That is a pretty resounding yes vote on Lords of War after their first appearance in a tournament, winning out with a slim majority, but, a majority none the less. Also, the hard nos were less than 25% which is still a sizable chunk of people, but they are a minority of voters.

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Well, that was a strong answer, wasn’t it? It seems most folks do want Lords of War, but not ALL of them. So, we will keep our restricted list but are open to adding units to the list as we go and learn the ins and outs of them better.

This next question was about army composition and what folks wanted to see going forward. Essentially we asked if folks wanted to stick with what we were doing, or allow for more freedom in list building.

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It seems that we struck the right chord with the voters as they voted a big yes to continue as we have been doing things with essentially 1 CAD type detachment + 1 other of their choice. Now, that said, as more books come out with army specific detachments that clearly function like a CAD, we will probably alter how we define our guidelines to reflect this.

Were games finishing on time? Time is always a constraint at tournament and players are always concerned about it. How many games were finishing?

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A big chunk of gamers were saying that their games did in fact finish on time, which is good. Going up to 1850pts makes games take longer, but, the 2hr45mn time limit seems to be working. We are always talking about chess clocks, too. We need to try it in practice to get a feel for it as that should settle the issue.

We always throw in a question just for fun on these to remind everyone that while we all take it seriously, it is just a game that we play for fun and to hang out with our friends!

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This question–and the answers–will make sense to anyone that listens to the podcast!

In all, this is great feedback and really helps us to make informed decisions going forward. It shows us that we are on the right track with our format and that folks are enjoying it and having fun. That is the goal! With our 4th BAO behind us we are now turning out attention to the second annual LVO!

Thanks to everyone that came, helped, had fun, and made the BAO a success!


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34 Responses to “BAO Exit Poll Data”

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    iNcontroL August 4, 2014 5:53 pm #

    awesome results! I was in the majority each time 🙂

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 4, 2014 6:44 pm #

      Well done, sir!

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      CptHygelac August 4, 2014 7:40 pm #

      That’s the goal of these things, right?

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      Jural August 4, 2014 10:29 pm #

      I was not in favor of all the changes ahead of time, but I agreed with most everything as I practiced for BAO.

      The only thing I’m not sure about is whether the LoW list could stand with some more expanding (Scythed Hierodule… Lord of Skulls without some options…)

      And I’d like to try unrestricted double CAD, but not in my first 7th Edition tourney.

      • Reecius
        Reecius August 5, 2014 1:26 pm #

        Yeah, I don’t think anyone was ready for full on unrestricted CADs.

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    Jay Pena August 4, 2014 6:04 pm #

    Always nice to see that people had a great time gaming.

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 4, 2014 6:44 pm #

      Yeah, that is the most important metric, really. The rest is also important but if folks aren’t having fun, who cares about the format?

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    Novastar August 4, 2014 8:17 pm #

    With the 100+ ways to make your army these days, I vote for 30k list to be allowed, just put primarchs in the banned lords of war and nothing in 30k is as cheesy as some of the combos already in common use

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      Pascal Roggen August 4, 2014 8:27 pm #

      why ban primarchs, they are cool and no were near as scary as most low’s 🙂

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        Novastar August 4, 2014 8:48 pm #

        Just trying to help them take baby step :p

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        Jural August 5, 2014 10:59 am #

        Agreed- if you allow 30K, allow Primarchs. Can’t speak for everyone, but that’s half the fun for me!

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          Novastar August 5, 2014 12:59 pm #

          I’m just trying to get Reece to allow 30k list in the first place lol

          • Reecius
            Reecius August 5, 2014 1:27 pm

            I think we will do a 30K event at the LVO on Sunday. Feel like being a TO, buddy?

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    Shinkaze August 4, 2014 10:11 pm #

    I have been told that chess clocks are expensive and not the sturdiest.

    One problem with chess clocks in 40k is that you do things on your opponents turn and of course people discuss the terribly written rules that GW has decided to no longer really produce any meaningful FAQs for(and the old ones could cause as many questions as they answered).

    I would just do 3 hours or stay at 1750. One thing I think people don’t realize is that the beginning turns take waaay longer than the later turns because you have so much more stuff on the table than on turns 4-7.Perhaps some sort of education about this would help. I routinely have players argue to not start new turns when both of us are well under half are starting strength.

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      Jural August 4, 2014 10:31 pm #

      The psychic phase and assault phase come to mind as problematic, and the wording for jink could really chuff some opponents if you speed through rolls.

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 5, 2014 1:27 pm #

      Good points that we have debated a lot, however, I think they provide the best solution given the options available.

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    rexscarlet August 5, 2014 4:07 am #

    Great Data! Shows a group (small as it was) “can” agree to a final product.
    (I would put the LoW data at 50%, since many players do not want to be “that guy” that tells players they cannot bring their toys, and instead takes the path of least resistance; “Don’t care.”
    (Note; this data is also asking players about; Painted, wysiwyg, and etc. models, which changes the “view” of LoW and etc. If a players buys, builds, and paints ANY model, I would without question play them, BUT, if it is some Proxy, Counts As, Unpainted, bare Resin/Plastic, heck NO.)
    Keep up the good fight for set “standards” and maybe it will rub-off on other websites/players/communities. (The Interwebs community (sites) do not want to share power (advertising revenue), just like divisions in States, Government offices, Churches, and etc. and that is causing a major rift in 40K, they need to get together, as Frontline is doing)
    Players can always Pew-pew and rules discussions are never about that.
    Keep it up Frontline!

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 5, 2014 1:30 pm #

      We can only speculate on what the I don’t care votes would have been had they been forced to vote yes or no, but, “I don’t care really is a valid choice.” Some people honestly just don’t mind either way.

      But thanks for the encouragement! We really appreciate it and yes, a standard for organized play is what we strive towards.

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    Fulcrum August 5, 2014 7:16 am #

    Any chance of you guys running a highlander(see Neil 11th co.) type event or more restrictive(like single FOC no allies etc.) style of event in the future?

    Also while 50% may have said yes to LOW, the question you should be asking(yourself) is how many of the people who said yes would stay away if LOW weren’t allowed & conversely how many people ARE (or will) staying away if LOW are allowed?

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      Rich with GSI August 5, 2014 8:00 am #

      Yeah, that was something that struck me, too. Not to be a Negative Nancy vs the numbers, but by definition the folks who played in the BAO are going to be pretty accepting of the tournament guidelines. They had been open minded enough to play in the first place, after all. I think a comparison between the larger pre-BAO sample and these attendee numbers would be interesting. Might give a better feel of who stayed away because of LOWs and such. Not to mention Kenos bold mastery of the steppes.

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        Jural August 5, 2014 9:04 am #

        That is true- but those who did came enjoyed themselves, which to me should be a good data point for those who stayed away.

        It would have been interesting if 3 or four tournaments had been run with different rulesets and all data gathered… but I’m sure the venue couldn’t be rented for a solid week 😉

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 5, 2014 1:31 pm #

      I don’t think many folks will flat-out not go if you have or do not have super heavies. It was like the FW thing, a lot of folks predicted that we would lose attendees but our events continued to sell out, and even the most vocal FW opponent (Blackmoor) still came to every event and had a good time.

      As for a Highlander style event, that is a possibility as a side event at a big tournament like the LVO, for example.

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        Fulcrum August 5, 2014 2:08 pm #

        I was waffling & in the end decided not to go. LoW was part of the decision. I really hate the new detachments formations & data slates. Not to mention the death star madness that still exists.

        Maybe by the time LVO rolls around something else will have changed. Just in case I’m gonna have u guys paint my Hordes army.

        • Reecius
          Reecius August 5, 2014 2:24 pm #

          Deathstars aren’t so bad this edition, actually. The psychic heavy deathstars got nerfed quite a bit, actually.

          I love the Formations and Data Slates, I think they are good fun, personally, but YMMV. We hope to see you at the LVO!

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          Jural August 5, 2014 3:47 pm #

          I was unimpressed by lords of Wars and deathstars in general; meaning that with the right list or some bad luck, they were quite vincible. They were losing or having hard times with some other lists, which was encouraging.

          I still think that a top player can absolutely destroy you with either option, but the fear that they are “auto-win” buttons is misplaced

          • Reecius
            Reecius August 5, 2014 3:57 pm

            I agree.

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    Smufflez August 5, 2014 10:13 am #

    I didn’t do the poll, but i’m probably the single person that would have be totally fine with the barn again. Mostly because I could openly drink alcohol in the barn =P

    Anyways I like the idea of LoW units, except I wish there was at least one available for every army, as us Dark Eldar players only have the Revanant, which was not allowed and for damn good reason. Oh well, I probably won’t have to wait long for a LoW Vect+Dias of destruction =P

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 5, 2014 1:34 pm #

      Yeah, we wanted to be conservative this go around. I think we will let more in for the LVO but maybe even just limit weapons choices for some so that the most devastating weapons don’t make it in.

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        Jural August 5, 2014 3:49 pm #

        Any advance opinions (won’t hold you to it!) on the harridan or Scythed Hierodule?

        After seeing a Scorpion in person there is no way I’m going to try and assemble, paint, and transport to LVO 😉

        • Reecius
          Reecius August 5, 2014 3:56 pm #

          I think we will definitely stick with the no large blast/templates that ignore cover and armor so the Scythed most likely will not be in. We will look at the Harridan closer, though. Yours got killed in a few of your games, right?

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            Jural August 5, 2014 6:09 pm

            I haven’t bought the model yet, but in proxy games (Heldrake!) I can’t hit with it or pass a grounding test… I’m not sure it’s worth the points, but I’m not sure how else to deal with other LoW and the like (Knights come to mind.)

            I like the model, but both Hierodules are great models too.

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    Slaede August 5, 2014 10:24 am #

    Where’s the poll question that says FLG needs to get a better autoresponder because I ain’t git no entry or exit poll.

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      Smufflez August 5, 2014 10:59 am #

      I got the entry but not the exit…My buddy got neither as well. lol.

      It must be rigged!

    • Reecius
      Reecius August 5, 2014 1:33 pm #

      Yeah, I don’t know why some folks didn’t get it? I send it to everyone that registered, I wonder what technical issue is causing that to occur for some folks?

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