Read ’em and Weep Boys, GW’s gone all in!

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Hahaha, well, you get the D or the B(an)! Pick your poison!

What am I talking about?

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3640318a_Warriors_code_V1.3.pdf

The Warrior’s Code! GW’s own tournament rules.

And they opened the floodgates!

We as a community can choose what to use and not use of course, but this sets precedent.

What do you all think?

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56 Responses to “Read ’em and Weep Boys, GW’s gone all in!”

  1. Bigpig December 13, 2013 2:13 pm
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    Would you expect any less from a model company that dabbles in rules? 😉

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 2:16 pm
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      Haha, nope! But all this really means is we choose which rules we want to use.

  2. jesse morales December 13, 2013 2:15 pm
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    All we care about is what you guys think reese…the real TOs.I stopped caring what gw says since they stopped supporting the independent events. Watch me give zero fucks about their warrior code

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 2:23 pm
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      Hahahaha, well said dude! And thanks, we appreciate the vote of confidence.

  3. Noah December 13, 2013 2:19 pm
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    Yeah I would completely ignore this and just continue doing what you guys do best.

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 2:30 pm
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      Count on it!

  4. jifel December 13, 2013 2:21 pm
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    I dunno, we clearly need to use movement trays in 40k… yeah that’d fix all the time issues… Please tell me that part was only meant for Fantasy?

    • Bigpig December 13, 2013 2:25 pm
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      maybe Games Workshop could create and market 40k movement tray and sell them for $15 apiece. That would be fantastic and very narrative. I would buy a movement ray for each of my tanks 😉

      • Reecius
        Reecius December 13, 2013 2:30 pm
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        They could make them to conveniently fit under a D Template to speed things up for us!

        • Gordy December 13, 2013 2:36 pm
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          In fact, why bother with models? Just leave a marker where you would place your unit, and your opponent will indicate which unit he’s one-shotted. No more piles of models or worrying about chipping paint or breaking weapons.

  5. Isaac Neal December 13, 2013 2:23 pm
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    One of their unacceptable conversions sounds awesome. A savage Orc with a huge ball and chain as a mangler!? Epic. I might have to make one now

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 2:30 pm
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      Haha, right?!

  6. joedrache December 13, 2013 2:31 pm
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    ok- i think no big deal- nerf the D weapons down to S10 ap1 or even 2. that makes it fairer. and the player w the SH now has a disability, will probly get seized on and will be shedding victory points all game. i like it, personally, now that the heirophant is in the mix(if they do nerf the D, this guy just became the head honcho) most players are going to be against it. but everybody cried when fliers came out too. personally i was kinda starting to get bored w the game so i see this as a welcome change(minus the D)

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 2:34 pm
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      We’re talking about a dual format event to allow both types of play. I like SHs, too, actually. We just need some time to get used to it all.

  7. michael December 13, 2013 2:38 pm
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    I think D weapons are fine( well….not really).
    We all just need time to adjust. I seem to recall that flyers would be the end of days and FW would bring about the great flood. The sky isn’t falling we all just need to adjust to a really new game system! I think its pretty exciting that GW is creating so much new material. Belakor, Cypher, strong hold assault, escalation and hopefully more to come.

    I feel like the community is so freakin jaded. We scream and belly ache for new material from GW, then bitch and whine win it does not live up to preconceived notions of what is good or bad. Well you know what?

    If you don’t like it, don’t play the game! Or better yet, create your game!

    I personally can’t wait for more expansions. I’m eager to see what GW will be bringing to our hobby.

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 4:16 pm
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      The expansions are cool because they open the game up, but we have to decide what we want to use in our events. Multiple Formats maybe? We’ll see.

      • michael December 13, 2013 4:29 pm
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        Honestly I think for simplicity, stripped down rules are the way to go. Just ‘basic’ 40k for tournaments.

        But I wonder if we’d be having this discussion if when 6th ed first launched, the expansion rules were not expansions, but already integrated into the rule book?

        It sounds like it just needs to be a learning experience over time. tournaments certainly shouldn’t come down to who can afford to purchase a revenant titan or equivalent.

  8. Chip December 13, 2013 2:50 pm
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    Unless GW has some secret tournament circuit that we are all in the dark about, this matters not a single iota. The onus is still on the collective TO’s of the country that actually run the competitive circuit, to hopefully determine through consensus the direction for competitive 40k going forward.

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 4:16 pm
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      Exactly.

  9. Weidekuh December 13, 2013 2:57 pm
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    This is absolutely great! (no sarcasm) They will have Escalation and everything at their tournament so we will all see how it will turn out and if it has to be changed in the future or not.
    If it’s really as bad as everyone makes it out to be, TOs can always alter the rules.

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 4:18 pm
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      I think it is good to go in a tournament designed for it, but in a general event mixed in with people with “normal” armies? I don’t think that’s a good idea, personally.

      We’ll see, though!

  10. James Carmona
    kontraktkiller December 13, 2013 3:15 pm
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    I’m just gonna pretend I didn’t notice they released that bullshit.

  11. Bdawg December 13, 2013 3:25 pm
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    Super heavies for the narrative and more casual events, “regular” 40k for the competitive events. Easy as that. My personal opinion is that super heavies don’t belong in a 1500-1850pts game.

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 4:20 pm
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      Fair enough. I like them but we need to figure out how to implement it all.

  12. Jason Brown December 13, 2013 3:30 pm
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    I cant wait to play some of these RAW pukes and slap them in the face with my big D. In fact I am naming my Reavant “Money Shot”

    • Arclight December 13, 2013 3:43 pm
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      Subtle.

      • Reecius
        Reecius December 13, 2013 4:02 pm
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        Hahahaha, I know, right?! Oh well, we’re not known for our subtle jokes, either.

        • Jason Brown December 13, 2013 5:01 pm
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          My middle name is not Subtle.

          • Reecius
            Reecius December 13, 2013 6:34 pm
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            We noticed =)

  13. Fulcrum December 13, 2013 3:31 pm
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    I’ll be more interested in what people say after their event than before. Maybe they have a secret formula?

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 4:21 pm
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      Yes, it’s called incompetence! haha, just kidding, they’re giving us all our toys, it’s smart. We just have to choose which ones we use.

      • Adam
        Adam December 13, 2013 4:32 pm
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        Yeah, especially after the FW stuff going the way of Escalation. It makes total sense, if you play a 3000 point escalation game, but don’t have the rules on which army can use what super heavy, it’s kind of lame. I don’t fault FW for making this PDF at all, plus it lets you know where all the damn rules are, now they need one for 40k!

        Running just the Escalation book pure, I don’t really have any issues with it (as we’ve gone over ad nauseam), provided that the players are aware that it is possible that they’ll be facing a super heavy. Opening it up to every super heavy though is going to take some self restraint. In friendly games, nobody is going to want to play against a double turbo-laser warhound, and in tournaments, those will probably end up banned or modified somehow anyway. On the same note, no tournament ever will allow a 1450 point Reaver in a 1750 point game!

        • Reecius
          Reecius December 13, 2013 6:37 pm
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          Dude, we played a game today with Revenant vs C’Tan.

          Adam, it’s a joke, bro. No kidding. Jy2 had 3 Flyers, 3 Anni Barges and Haywire.

          I had the Revenant, a Farseer and a Crimson Hunter and who fucking cares what else.

          We both had Void Shields.

          Revenant kills everything. Stupid.

          He died eventually, first time every, actually, but it didn’t matter. Escalation is so far from balanced that it is comical.

          • Pascal Roggen December 13, 2013 11:58 pm
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            the problem is the revenant is king of the ground super heavies, he pretty much smushes any other super on the board. the best way to fight one is to not bring a super.

            being super good at wiping what he shoots at out, bringing a super just makes it easier for it to knock out more points in one go.

            It is by far the most troublesome super but if you’re going to play test vs it please don’t use stuff it’s designed to crush. It’s like bringing horde orcs vs a blood talon dreadnought list. ” oh your presienced DC dread just destroyed 30 boys on the charge”

            try a standard[past or present] list that should work well next:)

          • Reecius
            Reecius December 14, 2013 8:34 am
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            Yeah, it really is the Rev that is the troublemaker of the core SHs. He has vastly better offense and defense.

    • James December 14, 2013 4:57 pm
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      Fulcrum, where in Hawaii are you? I am assuming Oahu but if you are on big island we should meet up, always looking for more 40k friends.

  14. Cmdr Nearsight December 13, 2013 3:49 pm
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    After all the hand-wringing, a Revenant or D-heavy build better sweep all the official GW 40k tournaments to validate the doom-saying proclamations. But my money would be on a TAC list piloted by a superb player (the likes of Reece, Frankie, Darkwynn, jy2, etc) winning the day by playing to the objectives. Of course, if they decide to roll with Revenants instead, then they’ll prove that the combo of superior skill and OP firepower is unbeatable cheese. Lol.

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 4:04 pm
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      Well thanks for the compliment, that was nice.

      That’s the issue, is when an experienced player picks up the howitzer, it gets really crazy. I play TAC lists because I find it a lot more enjoyable and challenging. Some don’t and give in to the temptation to being the biggest gun they can.

  15. krisbot4000 December 13, 2013 3:56 pm
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    does GW even run tournaments in the US any more?

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 4:02 pm
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      Not for a few years.

  16. Adam
    Adam December 13, 2013 4:06 pm
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    They do not have any of the FW books listed as valid books to use. So while you can use FW models (yay preheresy marines, rhino doors, etc.), you cannot use FW units.

  17. Rob the nob December 13, 2013 4:57 pm
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    I guess this I what you get from the people who screw up the chaos book but turn around and write books like tau an eldar “But they all have balance”blah blah blah

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 6:32 pm
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      Yeah, balance went out the window with 5th ed! haha

  18. Joe December 13, 2013 6:05 pm
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    “We were really surprised that the winner brought a list with a Eldar Titan, Coteaz, and a Tau dataslate,”says GW after the tourney.

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 13, 2013 6:35 pm
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      I know, so silly. That event is going to be a cluster-fuck. But hey, maybe it will be fun, who knows.

  19. Callofdoobie December 13, 2013 6:40 pm
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    To me it’s easy; no to Stronghold and Escalation (unless you want an Escalation format).

    Leave everything else alone. Not seeking an argument, as I have debated this stance for the last several days on here, just speaking my opinion =).

    Either way I feel like competitive 40k has jumped the shark (errrr jumped the grot?). Bans are not good for the game but neither is titans dropping Str D everywhere. This is a lose/lose situation that’s about to get really ugly in the next few months, I hope i’m wrong!

    • Pascal Roggen December 14, 2013 12:00 am
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      It’s gonna be ugly for at least a year mate:).
      I’m glad GW have done this, so at least we can see a no holds barred tourney.

      • Reecius
        Reecius December 14, 2013 8:34 am
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        It will be interesting at the very least!

  20. Fagerlund December 14, 2013 1:43 am
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    How cultural of you to post some Norwegian art!

    (Yeah the rest wasn’t worth commenting on)

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 14, 2013 8:33 am
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      The Scream is a brilliant painting. The tournament pack? Eh, not so much, i agree =)

  21. Aidobmac December 14, 2013 9:24 am
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    I feel like I am the only one who actually trusts GW in regards to these new tournament conditions. I have a sinking feeling that ban lists and restrictions that seem to be coming by independents will cause more harm then good in the tournament scene until the point where we are all reduced to playing the exact same list because this one list is the one that is the most efficient when considering all the implemented bans and restrictions.

    I don’t think I am wrong in saying that probably 2% of tournament players have even played against a Revenant Titan since the escalation release, yet it seems that the main population of these players are all ready to implement their own rules. If they haven’t played against it, how do they know that they are right?

    (Although I realize that both of these in this example are being considered for banlisting)
    Think of how many things counter the 2++ reroll of demon doomsquads. The list is small, but it includes D weapons.
    Now think of how many things counter Titans. There are many more options, and thus more variability resulting in less stale events.

    Just my opinions! I hope that I do not seem to be forcing my point of view onto others.

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 14, 2013 10:27 am
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      We welcome opinions here, even if we don’t agree with them =)

      I am one of those 2% of players that has tried the Rev (twice now) and I can tell you without one second’s hesitation, it is not fit for tournament play. It just isn’t. The other Super Heavies? Yes to a point, but they can be tweaked out with buffs to make them neigh-unkillable.

      I could be wrong, for sure, but we play test almost everything that comes out as it comes out and this is the first thing we have seen that is this crazy OP to the point that it is comical.

      Try it for yourself. I think you will find similar results. I can honestly say that a tournament with no restrictions at all could be fun for a local, 1 day affair, but I would never travel to an event like that based on my experiences.

      • Jan December 15, 2013 6:18 am
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        Reece,

        we played 2 games so far with the big scary D’s (second one is actually still running as i type) and although i think you do have a point about D-weapons potentially sucking all the fun out of a ‘normal’ game of 40K, i also think that we can’t preserve the status quo of the game ad infinitum. People will want to bring the big guns out at some point and GW will press on delivering their goods to their customers. That’s just what their company is about.

        So if you’re not inclined to build and play a divergent, autonomous game of custom 40K, what else can you do than adapt and eventually just sit down and enjoy the ride? I could imagine GW coming up with some kind of 40K skirmish game system in the future, to give gamers a small-scale alternative to the all-out war 40K seems to become. But the main game won’t be toned down anymore, me thinks. It has become an arms race without any prospect of future disarmament.

        Speaking of which, it seems like the 900 points of Eldritch Revenantness are about to get smoked by a unit of Khorne Mutilators in our sunday game. We decided to downgrade the Revenant’s Pulsars to a mere 3″ blast and i really think that’s a big step towards lessening the cheese factor. We thought about allowing invul. saves against them too, but then decided to not tinker with the D rule any further. And looking at those impressive guns just now, i think any opposition should rightfully be terrified to face this thing. So we’ll see how it goes and if the Chaos gods can overcome the D!

        In the end, it just boils down to the attitude you’re bringing to the tabletop. With all those potent weapons of destruction at their disposal, the players should really focus on the spirit of the game and how Jervis Johnson would do it in their shoes. As the Warhammer world guys put it: Our events are aimed at you having as much fun as possible, with camaraderie and friendly competition at their core. Which leaves a lot of work to do for those who want to provide an environment for people seeking ‘real’ competition in little toy soldiers.

        • Reecius
          Reecius December 15, 2013 7:47 pm
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          You make some good points, but also, you are seeing it from a certain perspective (as we all do).

          While you can say, hey, just play more laid back 40K, a lot of folks just flat out don’t want to. They love the tournaments. It may even seem strange to you, but that is how a lot of folks prefer to play.

          And, over the course of 40K’s history, it has USUALLY been played with restrictions. This is nothing new. Just as you change the size of the blast on the Rev and alter the game to make it more fun for your crew, we basically did the same thing.

          I am not saying we will never have SHs in tournaments (in fact, I have said the opposite multiple times, haha) we just won’t have them at the LVO. It’s just going to take time to adapt is all.

  22. Jochen December 16, 2013 7:44 am
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    Well in all honesty, these “rules” just say.. “please pretty please only use our models, mo moneh plz!”.
    I just don’t see the point to them unless they really start to pick up on the tournament scene again, either through their own tournaments or with price support again.

    I’d love that actually, the modelling rules are obviously silly but still nice if they start giving a crap about tournaments. Their ruleset for 6th edition kinda counters that line of thought tho but there is always hope.

    • Reecius
      Reecius December 16, 2013 8:33 am
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      Yeah, we just have to choose for ourselves what we want to play, now.