Space Marines Reviews: HQs Part 17: Command Squads

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The Command Squads are formed from veteran Space Marines assigned as staff and bodyguards to high ranking members of a Space Marine chapter. They form a powerful and flexible unit per their fluff and largely match this on the table.

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Overview:

The Command Squad has been a great unit for many editions, now. They provide a tactically flexible unit that can be kitted out to really pack a punch with shooting or assault in addition to acting as moderate force multipliers. They are unlocked via any HQ choice besides Chapter Masters. They are a little pricey for a unit of essentially veterans and weigh in at the same cost as a Thunderfire Cannon base, but they make up for it with the amount of power they can pack in.

Wargear:

  • 3+
  • Bolt Pistol
  • Chainsword
  • Grenades
  • Options to take a Standard, Sacred Standard of the Emperor Ascendant (One Per Army), Company Champion (who takes a power weapon and combat shield), Apothecary, Bikes, Melta Bombs, Storm Shields, Boltgun, Melee or Ranged Weapons and can be mounted in a Drop Pod, Rhino or Razorback

Special Rules:

  • ATSKNF
  • Chapter Tactics
  • Honour or Death (Company Champ only)

Tactics:

What a great unit! The Command Squad really does provide a ton to an army in terms of flexibility, power and cool factor.

In order to get the most mileage out of this unit you want to think about how this unit is going to fit into your list. You have so many options with how to build it that it really needs some focus in order to get the most out of it. The one thing I can say right off the bat is that for the love of the Emperor, do not equip them they way they are pictured in the book with a mix of everything! It may look cool but my goodness is that an absolutely terrible way to equip them. Totally inefficient.

In that vein, let’s start with what you should generally not take. First of all, do not waste any points on the Company Champion. He is really awful, unless you find yourself frequently playing against other MEQs whom are not geared up for combat, or GEQs that you can easily beat up on. But then, of course, you don’t need to put any more points into them as they quite easily win those fights anyway. For a more in-depth description of why the Company Champion is a bad choice due to his Honour or Death rule (forcing you to make or accept a challenge) read the Honor Guard review I wrote. Suffice it to say he is largely terrible and his only viable use is to fall on the sword in a challenge to free up your real heavy hitter character to clean up a unit.

The Standards are OK generally, but when you factor in the price of the Banner of the Emperor Ascendant and the fact that MEQs are really not that great in assault to begin with, and it pretty quickly falls into the “Do Not Take” category. It just isn’t worth it. The Company Standard is points efficient but with ATSKNF, why bother? They look cool, aren’t terrible but largely are unneeded.

The Apothecary is a solid addition to the unit. You sacrifice the equipment of a Veteran (and yes, we read it as the Apothecary can not take any other equipment), but at 15 points is a good investment. As his FnP buff effects any model that joins the unit, such as a Chapter Master, Captain, etc. it is a good option to consider. If he saves a single member of the unit, he’s done his job and in a pinch, he can go into a challenge to keep the heat off of your heavy hitters. Further, considering that against some units such as Heldrakes, etc. which may ignore your armor altogether, this could give you a save where you would otherwise have none.

As for the unit, essentially you can equip it to be very shooty or very choppy, or both, but then their price just spirals out of control and you start to get diminishing returns on the investment. Focus on one or the other. Again though from a purely efficiency minded perspective, when working with an MEQ statline going shooty is almost always going to be the superior choice.

If you do decide to go assault, Bikes is the clear choice for increased durability and speed. Yes, you can put them in a Razorback or Drop Pod setting up a later turn charge, but it just isn’t very efficient. Five bodies isn’t going to last long to any concentrated shooting and as such, you will seem them evaporate before doing anything. On bikes, they have the speed and increased defense (Tough 5 and Jink) to survive some of inevitable fire the unit will receive. The key when running them in an assault role is to not put too many points into them as they can rapidly go above Terminator cost and rarely will perform as well. Power Axes are nice as you get the bonus attack from the pistol, but you run the risk of getting smoked before swinging. Power Mauls are excellent too as the high volume of high strength hits will really put a hurting on dang near anything you assault plus they swing at I4. These are particularly good if you find yourself facing a lot of high toughness, love save targets such as Daemons who don’t care if you are AP2 or not. Power Lances are just awful, don’t bother. Power Swords are also largely crummy, unless you have Furious Assault with Khan, don’t waste your time. Even then, I’d rather have Mauls or Axes.

Storm Shields at 10pts a piece are fantastic, but will rapidly jack the cost per model up. With a power weapon and shield, they cost as much as a Hammernator but are not nearly as good. Add in the points of the Bike, and they are just too much for a single wound model. Taking 1 or 2 with a shield to tank wounds is solid, and a few models with weapons to do the killing. That is the way I would run them if I were to take an assault oriented Command Squad at all (which I wouldn’t, honestly). That way you stay relatively points efficient, are mobile, have decent offense and decent defense plus decent shooting with the bikes. Notice the running theme? Decent. Not outstanding at all, but not bad, either. One good tip though, is if you run a Bike assault oriented Command Squad, consider some Grav weapons not just for the offensive punch but also for Concussive. Lowering target Initiative not only makes it easier to win a fight, but makes it easier to stack other effects such as Blind from the Burning Blade or a Land Speeder Storm’s Cerberus Launcher.

Shooting though, now that’s the ticket. This unit geared up to put the smack down in the shooting phase will put a big smile on your face where the assault version will frequently disappoint you. As with almost all instances, give every model in the unit the same weapon to maximize efficiency. Yes, taking a variety of weapons gives you flexibility, but in practice units like this that hit very hard often only ever shoot once before being destroyed. They’re too high of a threat to be ignored. So, plan on them getting one critical shot off before being greatly diminished or destroyed. If they do anything more than that, consider it a nice bonus.

With that in mind, focus on what task you want them to perform. 5 Flamers makes them devastating to infantry, particularly with Salamanders Chapter Tactics to give them rerolls to wound. Meltas, obviously, make them deadly against tanks, heavy infantry, MCs, etc. Again, with Vulkan to twin link them, they become extremely reliable and should destroy any vehicle and many MCs in a single volley. Plasma are fantastic as a mid range weapon to destroy infantry, light to medium tanks and particularly, MCs. With Chapter Tactics such as the Ultramarines’ Tactical Doctrine to reroll 1’s (reducing the odds of overheating) and to increase accuracy, this unit particularly can be just devastating. Lastly, Grav Weapons are solid, but I would only take them on Bikes to make them Relentless to maximize their effect. Otherwise being 18″ Salvo weapons they just wont be all that effective. On bikes though, they make for a deadly and fast MC, Tank, and Heavy Infantry killing unit. The bike also gives you the option to fire twin bolters in the case you have a target the Grav weapons aren’t suited for, such as against Daemons. Be wary though, that if you are not on bikes, both the Plasma and Grav weapons will stop you from assaulting which should impact how you choose to deliver them and if you run an IC with them.

Whether or not to take an Apothecary in the shooty configuration unit largely depends on if you plan on running them solo or with an attached Character. Typically I would prefer to maximize offense with a unit that will often die quickly like this, but if you do plan on including a powerful melee unit with them, the Apothecary may be a good choice.

For the shooty unit you have a lot of delivery options. Rhinos, Razorbacks, Drop Pods and Bikes are all good choices in their own ways. Drop Pods make a ton of sense to keep them cheap and put them where needed but with Taudar everywhere, they will often get smoked before firing a single round due to Interceptor fire. If they have a tank character to absorb wounds it is a lot more reliable but still leaves you exposed and often unsupported by the rest of your army.

Rhinos and Razorbacks don’t give you the reach that Drop Pods do, but they do allow you to maneuver much more effectively and to stay mobile. Bikes give you a little of everything and at a really reasonable price point. What you choose to go with is largely a matter of taste and the role you see them filling in your list. For me, I prefer Bikes.

So there you have it! The command squad is a solid and flexible unit that can really pack a wallop and will be seen in many lists!

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30 Responses to “Space Marines Reviews: HQs Part 17: Command Squads”

  1. steven morrow October 4, 2013 4:28 pm #

    Well im thinking about CM on bike to unlock bike troops But I would put in Dark angels allies. Putting in a librarian on a bike to unlock ravenwing command squad and for divinaton. As The ravenwing command squad has plasma talons, skilled rider, hit and run, corvus hammers and scouts then this is a great unit to put The CM. They can do all the things that you really want from your bike command squad.

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 4, 2013 4:59 pm #

      Yeah, that is a great combination. The Ravenwing Command Squad is brutal. You pay more points for the unit but I agree it may well be worth while. They hit really hard.

      • steven morrow October 4, 2013 5:21 pm #

        Its not that many points. A full ravenwing command squad and apothecary is only 15 more then a command squad on bikes with apothecary before you add any equipment. you put on plasma guns or gravs you are looking at a whole lot more. Add in cost of a thunderfire plus 15 for dark angels librarian and a scout squad too round out the package, and you have a very fine unit too go with your CM a sold cheap scoring unit and a very good support psyker. Since Hit and run, scouts and skilled rider are all conferred abilities your CM will have nearly all the benefits of Whits scars plus his own chapter tactics. I see this package going with any of the other chapters. If you are going white scars you can forgo this package but for the other chapters it is a solid choice for a beat stick Master. Not bad for a 500ish point price tag.

        • Ugh October 4, 2013 6:25 pm #

          That’s a load of tut. A BCS with 4 Grav guns and an apothecary comes to 210 pts base where as a RWCS comes to 240 with an Apothecary, 5 man.

          The BCS has more firepower than the BK’s in most common instances, and have the potential for even more with a prescience psyker like a Rune Priest or DA Libby integrated into the unit. With CT:KWS literally the only advantage of note they have is the hammers, which are pretty crappy honestly.

          • Reecius
            Reecius October 4, 2013 6:52 pm
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            The Str5 Rending is pretty solid, IMO. I like the RWCS a lot, but I agree that the regular bike CS can be really powerful. I actually would consider just going 5 Grav Guns, that is serious firepower.

          • steven morrow October 4, 2013 7:00 pm
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            Ahh my mistake. I missed the bike upgrade cost in the squad entry. I was using the wargear list. Again if you are going to use white scars theñ just use them but with other chapters a ravenwing command is better. And since when is str 5 rending crappy? As far as more firepower twinlinked plasma talons are deadly against any target without the need for prescience. And since you want a divination Libby on bike anyway why not take rwcs? My point is that you have Aa huge number of advantages with any chapter other than scars.

        • Reecius
          Reecius October 4, 2013 6:54 pm #

          I think either build is solid. You really aren’t losing anything either way, and gain a lot. The RWCS hits harder in combat, the Marine Bike Squad with all grav weapons hits a little harder with shooting and is cheaper.

          • steven morrow October 4, 2013 7:17 pm
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            Yeah for a grav weapon caddy you cant beat the bcs. I’m just a fan of plasma. Don’t get me wrong I still advocate using grav bike squad but I want them shooting not rolling with the cm beating faces. Besides if you are feeling froggy use one of each just add a chappy on bike to put him with rcs and put the Libby with the bcs. Fill up with bike squads and tacticals for numbers supported by whatever takes your fancy and you have some good synergy going.

          • Reecius
            Reecius October 5, 2013 9:10 am
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            I agree that the BCS is where it’s at for the Grav Weapons. Centurions for us so far just haven’t gotten it done.

          • Tangentical October 5, 2013 3:23 am
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            My 25 Khymerae beast pack laughs at grav guns but plasma at least wounds on 2s…

          • Reecius
            Reecius October 5, 2013 9:13 am
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            Yup, Grav Guns are definitely hit or miss which is why it is nice to also have the bike’s twin linked bolters.

  2. Black Blow Fly October 4, 2013 8:41 pm #

    I would take a squad mounted on bikes, Apothecary, then the other four with storm shields and power axes plus three grav guns. Yes it’s an expensive unit but a true power house that’s a jack of all trades. A Captain and/or Chapter Master with 2+/3++ can tank wounds to make them more survivable.

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 5, 2013 9:11 am #

      That’s a really expensive unit that only has 3+ saves though, that’s my issue. I tried it in 5th and it always died to Bolters and such.

  3. Skari October 5, 2013 4:53 am #

    The command squad is very killy and the bikes are great, 5 command, apothecary and 2 grav guns. Storm shield or two to tank wounds. Just beware of dark eldar.

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 5, 2013 9:19 am #

      DE are THE spoiler army! hahaha, they throw monkey wrenches into my plans every dang time.

  4. Clover362 October 5, 2013 4:57 am #

    Why can’t you charge your target if you shoot grav or plasma when your on a bike? Doesn’t relentless take care of this?

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 5, 2013 9:14 am #

      Yes, you can. That was what I was trying to say.

  5. Julnlecs October 5, 2013 7:45 am #

    I believe he was about when you are on foot. Theres been many times when I want to assault with my tac squads but I cant because i remember i shot with my plasma gun. I think thats what he means.

    I planned to go with the DA Librarian for the PFG on a bike, a RWCS for the grenadlauncher and plasma talons, and then a White Scars CM beatstick on a bike with grav gun biker troops. Also 3 thunderfire cannons and 2 storm talons at 2k.

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 5, 2013 9:15 am #

      Yes, that is what I meant.

  6. Hotsauceman1 October 5, 2013 11:12 am #

    I have a Command squad, Never could figure out how to kit them TBH. I just used them for conversion Fodder TBH. Now I feel stupid.
    BTW, What do you think of Standards? Good or not?

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 6, 2013 7:26 pm #

      I don’t use standards at all, myself. To equip them, I typically just max out on special weapons, all of the same type.

  7. Ty October 5, 2013 1:30 pm #

    If you’re playing Salamanders, would you put Vulcan with a Command Squad with an Apothecary and four Flamers, or with a Sternguard Squad with two Heavy Flamers?

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 5, 2013 2:21 pm #

      Command Squad with 5 Flamers.

  8. Loaf0bread October 5, 2013 3:43 pm #

    How about..
    Apothecary
    Vet. PG SS. X4
    Drop pod
    With techmarine auspex, ( servo for extra plasma?)
    Less than 300 pts of plasma death

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 6, 2013 7:23 pm #

      Sounds pretty deadly, actually.

  9. D October 6, 2013 6:54 am #

    Unless I’m misreading it, Command Squads can only take weapons from the Ranged or Melee lists…not from the special weapon lists. Which means they can only take combi-weapons. So you get 5 one shot flamers or plasma, and after that, it’s back to bolters.

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 6, 2013 7:15 pm #

      Check the FAQ

      • D October 6, 2013 7:24 pm #

        There it is, in magenta and white. Thanks for the info.

        Too bad they didn’t also make Raven Guard’s Chapter Tactics work w/ Assault marines. Oh well.

        • Alberto December 20, 2013 1:27 pm #

          sorry if this is a dumb question, but which faq? Can’t seem to find one.

          • Reecius
            Reecius December 20, 2013 5:00 pm
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            You can go to the community tab and look up the BAO FAQ.

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