Space Marines Reviews: HQs Part 9: Pedro Kantor

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Up for review: old Mr. Fisticuffs himself: Pedro Kantor of the Crimson Fists. As always, check out the tactics corner for more reviews and battle reports.

Pedro Kantor, stoic leader of the famed and doomed Crimson Fists chapter. He has been a part of the fluff going back to essentially the beginning, but is he worth his weight in this edition of the rules?

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Overview:

Pedro Kantor is a 50/50 mix of force multiplier and ass-kicker in design but in reality, he is actually worth more to you as a force multiplier. That said, if you position him well and don’t expect him to go into a fist fight (yuck, yuck!) with anything that is strength 8+ and win, you will be playing with realistic expectations. He is also a very good value for what you get, weighing in at 15pts under 2 Thunderfire Cannons and beyond his susceptibility to instant death, his slow speed is his only other downfall.

Wargear:

  • 3+ (Why in the blazes does the Chapter Master not have Artificer Armor?)
  • Power Fist
  • Grenades
  • 4++
  • Dorn’s Arrow: Assault 4, AP 4 Storm Bolter

Special Rules:

  • ATSKNF
  • IC
  • Imperial Fists
  • Orbital Bombardment
  • Oath of Rynn: So long as Kantor is your Warlord, all friendly Crimson Fists models (thanks to Fluger for pointing that out, as it is not units) within 12″ get +1 attack so long as he lives; which does not stack with a Chapter Banner nor does it work on him. Great ability! And all of the models in his detachment also get preferred enemy Orks…what the shit? That is unbelievably broken to the point where I have to wonder what the game devs were smoking when they wrote that. They can’t have play tested it, there’s no way they did or they would see how unbelievably broken that is. When your ENTIRE army gets preferred enemy against an ENTIRE enemy army (and that is all models in your detachment) and it works in shooting and assault, that is stupid. It should have been for a turn or something, not the entire game. Orks weep at this.
  • Hold the Line: Friendly units of Crimson Fists Sternguard are scoring units if Kantor is in your army, he doesn’t have to be the Warlord. Glad they fixed the wording on that one so that it no longer included ALL Sternguard.
  • Warlord: Iron Resolve. +1 to combat results. Meh. Great when it works but will rarely come into play.

Tactics:

Pedro largely does what he did previously but now with an improved stat line and a slightly better Orbital Bombardment. He was an incredible value points wise last go around and for only 10pts more than he was, with his bonuses to stats and weapon, he is still a great value. You basically pay 30pts over a Chapter master with power fist but get all of Pedro’s cool abilities which are easily worth well more than 30pts. He is quite the bargain.

Pedro himself is still fairly straight forward to use. He is a decent combat character who can reap quite the tally in enemy models in melee so long as you keep him away from things that can insta-gib him. That is easier said than done as the game is rife with Smashing MCs, but if you can bring his high number of attacks to bear, it will really help you to pulverize your opponent. That many Power Fists swings is scary to anything in the game.

You will want to keep a sacrificial Sarge or similar character in his unit to fall on the sword if you do find yourself in a combat with an enemy model that can ID him in a challenge. Keep Pedro out of harms way so that he can inflict maximum damage with his Fist. A 2+ would have helped a ton, but hey, it is what it is. Despite that, his 4 wounds will keep him in the fight so long as you avoid those instant death weapons.

Obviously, running him with a unit that will make good use of his +1 attack bubble is also a wise move. Hammernators will really benefit form this as do Sternguard, who now go up to 4 attacks on the charge. Also, thanks to Face Puncher for the reminder, Honor Guard with Pedro is brutal. Sternguard also, obviously, benefit from his special rule making them scoring units. He meshes well with them with his super Storm Bolter, too, and that unit can be counted on to inflict a lot of damage while also proving to be pretty unappealing as a target to be assaulted due to Kantor’s presence in it while also able to deliver a healthy punch if they need to go on the offensive.

He also really assists lackluster units like Assault Marines who all of a sudden go to Veteran status when in his radius. Due to their speed, they can be relied upon to get into that radius consistently without having to telegraph your intentions to your opponent by running them in a tight formation which also leaves you vulnerable to blasts and templates. Bikes also benefit in the same way.

However, as I have mentioned over and over, do not make an assault Space Marine army if you want to consistently win in a competitive setting unless it is comprised of 30 Hammernators. I am not saying you can’t win with assault oriented Space Marines at all, just that there are too many Xenos armies with assault units that will swing before you, ignore your armor and cost less points. Marine assault units, in general terms, are best used in a support role these days and Pedro really buffs them up to do that. My point being that I would advise not to build an entire list around this ability of Kantor’s (although I would love to be proven wrong on that point!). Look at it more as a really good bonus to an already really useful character. Run your army the way you would assuming he didn’t have it and be thankful for the nice little boost!

Sternguard as scoring units is awesome, too! I love Sternguard. They are such an amazingly versatile unit. They shoot brilliantly, they assault well, they are reliable. Just an all around A+ unit, IMO. With their points reduction they got even better! I never used Combi Weapons with mine as their magic bullets have always been their best asset to me, so the increase in those weapons’ cost was not an impact on my tactics. In the meta we find ourselves in now of T8, EW, super Kaiju monsters all over the place, a poison 2+, rapid fire weapon is just what the Emperor ordered! That is the equalizer, right there my friends and I have sent many a Daemon Prince back to the Warp, or TMC back to the Hive Mind with my Sternguard. They also put a number on any toughness based models. I could go on, but we will go over them in detail in due time. For now, suffice it to say they are an absolutely fantastic unit and making them scoring is just the cat’s meow.

That said, the only downside to this oh-so-obvious combo is that the Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics don’t jive at all with Sternguard. Bolter Drill doesn’t work on their special ammo. Boo! I can see why to an extent as they are already so deadly, but it is a bummer as you want to max out Bolters to maximize the effect of Bolter Drill, and you wan’t to take Sternguard to take advantage of Pedro’s special rule, but the two rules are at odds with one another and those are points that directly conflict when spent. That is a bit of a bummer, but I suppose it comes down to perspective: you may have lost Bolter Drill on the Sternguard’s special ammo, but you gain scoring unit status. What it does is take the obvious list strategy when using Kantor–30 Sternguard–and make it a little less easy of a choice. Now it is a resource management question: how do you allocate your points while maximizing your free Chapter Tactics bonuses? I personally would probably go with 1-2 units of Sternguard.

As for a list with Pedro, you have a lot of options. As is typical with Imperial Fists (or any Marine army), using those CTs is where you gain increased points efficiency in your list as they are free. Bolters, Devastators and Centurions gain the benefits and as such, taking those units gets you “free points” so to speak as they are better than normal at no additional cost. Beyond that, simply deciding who Kantor is going to go with is going to be your biggest choice. I like Sternguard as stated, but he also meshes well with Centurions as he makes them scarier to assault and it allows him to move and shoot his orbital Bombardment (due to Slow and Purposeful) which he would not otherwise be able to do. As stated in previous tactics articles, a character like Pedro really benefits from flexibility. He is slow, and vulnerable to ID, so leave a spot in a Drop Pod and/or Land Raider/outflanking units, etc. for him so that you can best adapt to changing conditions, game to game. This allows you to put him where you need him most which is the key to utilizing any of your assets to best effect. As I always say, Swarmlord may be the last word in single combat but it doesn’t amount for shite if he never gets there!

Oh, and as an aside, if you are playing Crimson Fists and you find yourself across the table from an Ork player, be a gentleman and apologize before you blast him off of the table. Goodness gracious, that is so crazy to have preferred enemy for your entire army against an army like orks that is already poor on defense. It is not an un-winnable battle for the Greenskins, just that your army increased in offensive efficacy against them across the board by roughly 33% for no reason at all. Brutal. Like, not fun for either player, brutal.

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39 Responses to “Space Marines Reviews: HQs Part 9: Pedro Kantor”

  1. Isaac September 23, 2013 10:53 am #

    I have a Crimson Fist army with Pedro and unless it’s a hyper competitive game, I’m not using the Preferred Enemy. You’re totally right it’s nowhere close to fair. I’d understand Pedro’s unit, or maybe the attack bubble gets Preferred enemy at the most. It cant be the whole detachment

    • Reecius
      Reecius September 23, 2013 11:19 am #

      Yeah, when I read that I was like, WTF? It is so OTT.

      • Son of Dorn September 23, 2013 9:17 pm #

        Well as IF successors they’re already rerolling 1’s to hit. All it’s actually giving them is the reroll to wound.

        • Reecius
          Reecius September 23, 2013 9:30 pm #

          Only Bolt Weapons, not ALL weapons.

          • Son of Dorn September 23, 2013 9:38 pm
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            Understood. But that’s they’re the vast majority 🙂

          • Reecius
            Reecius September 24, 2013 8:39 am
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            Most definitely but when you start factoring in Hellfire rounds, Flamers, Heavy Flamers, blast weapons, close combat attacks, etc. it gets nuts.

  2. fluger September 23, 2013 11:23 am #

    Love the new Pedro. He’s a great force multiplier IMO. Also, the change to Orbital Barrage being assault is huge as you can now have him in a vehicle and then get out and shoot. Last version you couldn’t move and shoot, so that limited your use of it.

    I’m of the opinion that Pedro makes regular tacticals worth taking due to having a bonus attack and therefore being more…well…tactical.

    • Reecius
      Reecius September 23, 2013 12:04 pm #

      Don’t forget, you CAN’T move and shoot the Orbital Bombardment, you can only assault after using it. You have to have Slow and Purposeful or Relentless to move and shoot it.

      • fluger September 23, 2013 1:00 pm #

        Wait, what?

        • Ty September 23, 2013 1:08 pm #

          Orbital Bombardment is Ordnance, not Assault. It just has an extra clause that says you can still charge after using it.

        • Reecius
          Reecius September 23, 2013 1:08 pm #

          Yeah, it’s an Ordnance weapon which means you can’t move and shoot, the only change is that you can assault after using it.

          • fluger September 23, 2013 1:38 pm
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            How idiotic.

  3. Mr E September 23, 2013 11:31 am #

    I would withhold the “brutal” statement from the preferred enemies Orks, until the new book comes out and suddenly there are no longer 180 orks on the other side of the table but there are just a tad over 250, you will need that extra 33% damage output so you can even hug your bolter to sleep in the trenches at night, and dream of a somewhat reduced green tide instead of the full 6 30+ boy squads with a PK Nob, and a fixed up version of old big ugly himself Gazzy

    • Reecius
      Reecius September 23, 2013 12:48 pm #

      Still, to have that kind of boost for free, is nuts. I played against Farisght Tau in 6th when he had preferred enemy Orks to his entire army, it was nucking futs! Like, I almost got shot off of the table on turn 1 with no recourse at all. It was massively OP.

      • Puretide September 23, 2013 1:03 pm #

        Only farsight and his squad have preffered enemy orks for shooting and combat the rest only have it for assualt if you are playing agaisnt the enclaves

        • Reecius
          Reecius September 23, 2013 1:07 pm #

          I was referring to the previous codex, sorry should have specified.

          • Puretide September 23, 2013 1:13 pm
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            my bad lol should of guessed

    • Ty September 23, 2013 1:09 pm #

      Well, if you need the extra 33% to even compete that would make Orks overpowered against everyone else. That seems unlikely.

  4. Nova star September 23, 2013 12:22 pm #

    It’s not broken at all, it’s one army out of 15, it’s not say PE(everything) on a character
    With 3++ rending wraiths, and hey the els deserve a little hatred for rynns world lol

    And kantor got so much better for only 10 points, besides what was written above he gained a wound and a attack from the last book, why no 2+ armor :/ just another reason cruddace gets a kick in the balls from me, I mean come on throw the iron hands a fricken bone and give us a Special Character( I would rant their, but sadly Reece can’t write on a nonexistent unit) or not even one of the bestiary entries is an Iron hand, not even the tech marine or thunderfire….. Gona go outside and yell curses across the world pond now lol

    • Reecius
      Reecius September 23, 2013 12:30 pm #

      It isn’t OP in general terms but it sure is in the context of that specific match up! Haha, tell the Ork player that him getting blown off the table is “fluffy” and see if that makes him feel better =P

      But yeah, I agree 100% about the lack of an Iron Father (or whatever) character for the IHs. I means, they talk about Stronos in the book, I would have really liked to have had him in the game. But perhaps we will see his rules in an expansion. I hope so!

  5. David Key September 23, 2013 2:05 pm #

    While Sternguard+Pedro combo does not use CTs, it did get a nice point reduction. They were very competitive at the full 25 and no CTs. I can live without the CT meshing exactly with their bolters and just take the point reduction, thank you.

    On the other hand!!! I DO like Honorguard with Pedro in a pod. Super cheap now and they use the CTs with their bolters AND they have a power weapon+bolt pistol and 2+. With Pedro they have 4 attacks base, 5 on the charge. I know they are not terminators, but you just have to use them differently. They are a HUGE threat relative to their point cost.

    • Ty September 23, 2013 2:31 pm #

      How do you like to like run your Honor Guard? All Power Axes?

      • David Key September 23, 2013 8:37 pm #

        No, not all power axes. I am actually kinda thinking power mauls might be sick with that many attacks. AP 2 is not that important because I do not think you generally want to be engaging other 2+ save units like terminators. I think the mauls are actually better against stuff like MCs too. Not sure though, maybe a mix is best.

    • Reecius
      Reecius September 23, 2013 3:25 pm #

      Very good point and I am face-palming that I forgot to mention them.

      • David Key September 23, 2013 8:38 pm #

        No,no. I am not really sold that they are good. I just really want them to be. Haha, they prob still suck even with the reduced points.

  6. Tomguycot September 23, 2013 2:13 pm #

    Just remind the Ork player that you’re “forging a narrative”. I’m sure he’ll understand.

    • Reecius
      Reecius September 23, 2013 3:24 pm #

      Haha, right? Just let them know they are supposed to lose, it’s cool. They bought, painted and played an army that is meant to get destroyed in this narrative, all good bro =)

  7. Chuck September 23, 2013 6:36 pm #

    One little note that actually makes Pedro even better: He doesn’t even have to be the Warlord for Sternguard to be Scoring. So you could run something else, like Lysander or a kitted out Chapter Master, and still benefit from the scoring Sternguard.

  8. nimrod451 September 23, 2013 9:58 pm #

    I was going to ask – so you can use Pedro with Lysander? since they share chapter tactics?

    • Reecius
      Reecius September 24, 2013 8:36 am #

      Sure can! You just need to declare which is your Warlord.

  9. Lemenhead September 24, 2013 9:47 am #

    Yes, youre right. Preferred enemy against a whole book is broken and has been since the GK codex..

  10. Corbeau September 24, 2013 3:34 pm #

    I had some fun in casual games to just spit in the face of those odds (preffered ennemy against my army or something similar) and be very brash and loud!! and somEtimes, just sometimes…that victory is so SWEET!

    • Reecius
      Reecius September 24, 2013 5:56 pm #

      I imagine winning that match up is indeed very satisfying!

  11. fluger September 25, 2013 11:48 am #

    Just a quick thing we just noticed over here. Pedro’s Oath of Rynn (the +1 A part) only works on MODELS within 12″ of him, not units. That’s a big change and a big nerf.

    • Reecius
      Reecius September 25, 2013 12:04 pm #

      Oh damn, good catch. Yeah, ouch.

  12. Pedrocantorcanhe September 25, 2013 11:51 pm #

    So we get preferred enemy orks. Anyone who knows the lore of the battle of rynns world knows that the crimson fist hate the orks. So fluff wise it makes complete sense!

  13. Nick October 13, 2015 7:12 am #

    I know this thread is old, but I wanted to add that in the 7th edition of 40k, Sterngaurd can benefit from the Imperial Fist chapter rule when firing their special ammo. Makes Sternguard even better. My only question is can a bolter-only sterngaurd take out tanks?

    • Reecius
      Reecius October 13, 2015 2:37 pm #

      Good point, and Sternguard do struggle with tanks, they only have krak really to deal with them.

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