Dark Angels Codex Review!

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Dark Angels Codex Review!

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Big Jim
Big Jim
9 years ago

Good review guys, and you mirror my thoughts very closely. I also agree the Chaos Space Marine codex is a lackluster disappointment. Phil Kelly phoned it in and should be ashamed of himself.

-Jim

Pellegrino
Pellegrino
9 years ago
ScouseMatt
ScouseMatt
9 years ago

The cheapness of Dark Vengence bikes on ebay, combined with the awesome sounding rules is really tempting me to start a Ravenwing army!

On the whole sounds awesome, from the sounds of it, no massive lame ducks in there. No Mutilators or Warp Talons.

winterman
9 years ago

I heard Belial has an iron halo in the fluff section but its missing in the army list. Makes his cost a bit more palatable if true. Seems like there’s a number of gaffs like that in the codex (like Nephilim having missile lock on non blast missiles).

I think compairson between CSM and DA has a lot to do with main rules. New changes for CSM is focused on stuff that is weak in 6ed (ar12 walkers, assault, non-ATSKNF elite units, single model buffers) while new DA is focused on stuff that is strong in 6ed (terminators, bikes, shooting, cheap ATSKNF units). Couple that with more flexibility in the new DA dex vs more restrictions in CSM (have to challenge, have to lose gear to become a prince, limited options for dealing with morale issues, they lost flex in cult troops). I also am shocked that DA have a better wargear page. If any army should have a crazy good list of special stuff it seems like it should be Chaos.

I am honestly regretting trading my DV DA for the chaos lol.

winterman
9 years ago
Reply to  winterman

Also I kinda like the dark knight grenade launchers. The option to fire rad grenades and stasis grenades before an assault seems pretty cool.

Jon Bunn
9 years ago
Reply to  winterman

Belial has an Iron Halo in the iPad version of the codex.

Jon Bunn
9 years ago
Reply to  Reecius

Yeah, there was an errata out for the iPad codex on Dec 4th. Glad they are working to fix obvious issues.

Nephilim has Strafing Run but no Missile Lock.

winterman
9 years ago
Reply to  Jon Bunn

The special edition has it with missile lock. Apparently special edition means sent to the printer before editing 🙂

dRewsus
dRewsus
9 years ago

Everyone keeps welcoming Jeremy V to 40k… yet he helped write the RULEBOOK…

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9 years ago

“HEY EVERYONE HAVE YOU HEARD OF IMPERIAL SPACE MARINES?! They’re not really as popular as we’d like so HERE’S SOME COOL NEW RULES FOR THEM AGAIN!!” – Games Workshop

The voice
The voice
9 years ago

Quick thing. Belial has flesh bane – not shred. So its not a lightning claw, its a power weapon that wounds on 2’s all the time!! much better.

NovaStar87
NovaStar87
9 years ago

3rd edition space wolves codex had a rule called blood fued against Tons and DA
Which made the SW to hit and to be hit on a 3+ in combat regardless of weapon skill

NovaStar87
NovaStar87
9 years ago

* Tson’s, stupid auto correct on phones lol

Nick Wenker
Nick Wenker
9 years ago

Hi Reecius,

Haven’t listened to the podcast yet, so sorry if anything I bring up was already mentioned by you guys.

I just got the codex today and not surprisingly it wrecked that Space Wolves + Dark Angels army that worked so well for me last year…who would have thought that they would take a TH/SS terminator HQ above 130 points and that 5x TH/SS fearless scoring terminators with a cyclone who go above 235 points 😉 I’m bummed even if I expected it.

Belial is now overpriced and you need him to be the primary detachment, and normal terminators with TH/SS got much more expensive and can’t take an apothecary anymore…which got me thinking: Is there any way I can make Belial and TH/SS deathwing squads still viable?

This is the list that has been swimming in my head since I saw the codex:

2k, double DA detachments
1x belial
1x librarian in terminator armor, divination
5x deathwing command squad, 4 TH/SS, 1 chainfist, 1 cyclone launcher, FNP standard

5x deathwing terminator troops, 4 TH/SS, 1 chainfist, 1 cyclone launcher
5x deathwing terminator troops, 4 TH/SS, 1 chainfist, 1 cyclone launcher
5x tactical marine, rocket launcher with flakk missiles
5x tactical marine, rocket launcher with flakk missiles
5x tactical marine, rocket launcher with flakk missiles
5x tactical marine, rocket launcher with flakk missiles

2x whirlwinds
2x predators with all lascannons

Comes up to about 1970 or so

You can start on the board with 17 FNP fearless terminators, 10 rockets, 4 lascannons, 2 twin-linked lascannons, and 2 whirlwind templates.

If you need mobility, you bring in belial turn 1, bring in the other 2 squads with teleport homer turn 2, no scattering on anyone, lots of twin-linked cyclone goodness. Now the opponent has to deal with a FNP army of terminators in the back. Librarian provides some Deny the Witch coverage and tosses re-roll hits on the HQ unit. If you want, you can merge the two Deathwing units and bring the librarian down with them instead, re-rolling hits on 11 guys in that squad instead of 7 in the command squad with belial. In any event, I feel like I would hate this list either as a gunline army or as a CC army (what CC army wants to wade through that many FNP terminators?)

Just my initial thoughts
-Nick W.

Mark
Mark
9 years ago

To protect a standard, I think I’m tempted to put a unit in a Rhino, Razorback, or Landraider.

I’m tempted to take the plain veteran marines and take the devistation banner, then have 10-man tacticals in Rhino’s, should be able to get to where you want to be by turn 2 (turn one, drive up and get out, turn two, begin the hail of bolter fire). Depends on your target.

Having the banner in a vehicle increases the range of the banner by the footprint difference of the vehicle and gives some anti-snipe protection as long as the vehicle hasn’t blown up.

You could put a techmarine in the vehicle too to repair it???

5 Veteran Marines with Bolters and a Banner is 165pts, 55 for a HB Razor back, 75 for a lasback.

Mark
Mark
9 years ago
Reply to  Mark

wait wait wait….

A hurricane bolter counts as 3 twin-linked bolters, thus if the flyer was within 6″ of the banner, would it get 24 S4 AP5 twin-linked shots? (2x3x4)

Also, Bikes, twin-linked relentless bolters?

Mark
Mark
9 years ago
Reply to  Reecius

I just realized, for 30 points you can have a dude inside with that 3″ all models get a 4++ save. Works with a Razorback too. Razorback with a 4++ save, probably some guys on foot huddled in that 6″ diameter, getting a 4++ save and salvo 2/4. Now if only I can weasel in some slow-and-purposeful dude into a tactical squad.

Smee
Smee
9 years ago

Belial’s Sword isn’t a master crafted lightning claw, it has fleshbane, always wounding on a 2+ with ap 3 is nothing to be laughed at to be honest, not to mention it’s not a specialist weapon so no drawback to his pistol granting an attack. He does have an Iron Halo, and makes your termies port in without scatter, not to mention has a teleport homer himself, in case you leave a squad or 2 out of the DW assault in reserves to back him up (not something I’ll expect to see often, but an option nonetheless).

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