40K 6th Ed: More Rumor Updates! (More Incoming)

Rumor Stew! Mmmmmm.

These come to us via Chipstar from the Beltway Gamers forums, and the Tyrnid Hive.

[10:35:09] <source> Ok

[10:35:13] <source> so GW is spoilin 6E

[10:35:15] <source> over the phone

[10:35:23] <source> allies chart is in for sure, a matrix

[10:40:13] <source> you need 1 HQ 2 Troop of your own army

[10:40:26] <source> then you can ally, need 1 HQ 1 Troop of that army

[10:40:31] <source> then may take other slots

[10:45:49] <source> it’s still move shoot assault

[10:46:01] <source> “snapshop” = stand and shoot for an assaulted unit

[10:46:20] <source> BS1

[10:46:58] <source> no template or blast

[10:47:32] <source> someone gimme a BoLS link so I can confirm/deny shit

[10:48:04] <source> “schools of psychic powers”

[10:48:11] <source> not sure if its random though

[10:50:44] <source> these psychic powers are IN ADDITION to your codex powers

[10:51:11] <source> so you don’t lose any of the powers in a current codex

[10:52:25] <source> premeasure all the time

[10:52:40] <source> random charges 2d6 for foot, 3d6 drop lowest for jump pack troops

[10:53:05] <source> jump pack troops get “hammer of wrath” = impact hits, 1 A @ I 10, normwal weapon normal attack

[10:53:35] <source> for jump packs, not sure about wings, maybe

[10:53:41] <source> he only got to look at the book for an hour

[10:53:46] <source> to “pick topics for customers”

[11:00:13] <source> 6 missions, and 3 deployment zones

[11:00:23] <source> primary and 3 secondary objectives

[11:00:28] <source> vps for objectives

[11:00:35] <chip> source

[11:00:37] <chip> you have the book?

[11:00:45] <chip> oh, over the phone

[11:00:48] <source> yeh

[11:01:02] <source> “first blood” = 2nd objective

[11:01:09] <source> worth 1 vp

[11:01:37] <source> any questions chip?

[11:01:42] <source> I got him for like 10 mins more maybe ;p

[11:01:50] <chip> can special characters be brought as allies

[11:02:07] <source> he didn’t see any limit on it no

[11:02:25] <source> no more dawn of war, no more spearhead

[11:02:41] <source> one is like triangles

[11:02:44] <source> cleanse 2?

[11:02:47] <chip> vehicle damage chart info?

[11:03:13] <source> as in?

[11:03:27] <chip> 1’s stacking to destroyed? hull points?

[11:03:30] <chip> either/or/and

[11:04:20] <source> short edge to short edge deployment type

[11:04:21] <source> lol

[11:04:52] <chip> no fucking way

[11:05:13] <chip> Can you get info about different CCW AP values

[11:05:20] <source> he didn’t look at that

[11:05:26] <source> I did ask, there is somethin about CCWs

[11:05:37] <source> power weapon is AP2

[11:06:35] <chip> You sure about that? Pretty confident people said AP3

[11:07:45] <source> there is a hull point systemm, damage chart changed

[11:08:03] <source> 1-2 shaked 3 = stuned 4 = weapon destroyed 5 = wrecked 6 = kablam

[11:08:25] <source> he didnt seen an immobile on the chart

[11:08:42] <source> he just “Saw that it said AP2, not sure what it was about”

[11:09:20] <chip> oh crazy

[11:10:05] <source> terrain is a part of the FoC

[11:10:13] <source> aegis defense line 50pts

[11:10:27] <source> cover is 5+

[11:11:18] <chip> wow

[11:11:21] <chip> thats way cheaper than i thought

[11:11:39] <chip> any example psychic powers?

[11:12:31] <source> nope

[11:12:42] <source> “fortifcation FOC slot”

[11:13:09] <source> 1 per game

[11:14:38] <chip> so no tables full of terrain

[11:15:57] <source> err sorry 1 per player per game

[11:16:25] <source> rapid fire is half range not 12″

[11:17:47] <chip> oh interesting

[11:17:51] <source> rapid fire isnt limited by movement

[11:17:52] <chip> but aren’t rapid fire guns 24″

[11:17:55] <chip> so half range is 12″

[11:18:09] <source> snapshot is also for HWs that have moved

[11:18:52] <chip> wait, so you can fire a krak missile as a snapshot?

[11:19:06] <source> yes

[11:19:10] <source> BS1

[11:19:22] <source> heavy bolter that moves = 3 shots at BS1

[11:20:54] <chip> thats insane

Here is some rumours I seen at The Tyranid Hive, but didn’t see else where.

http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=38567&page=16

From General Chips

Courtesy of a friend from Games Workshop who has spent time with the Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook. We (manager of my LGS) sent him a list of questions and these were his answers. Alot of IDK’s, but some good stuff in there too.

Did the Force Org chart change?

No, the force org has not changed. It is still 1 HQ and 2 Troops. 3 Fast Attack, 3 Elites, 3 Heavy Support. Although, allies allows you in certain situati…ons to to add an HQ from another army and 1 Troop. You also, once you have satisfied the minimums can take 1 Fast, 1 Elite and 1 Heavy for you allies also. After your list is 2,000 pts, it appears you can double the Force Org chart. So up to four HQ with allies.

Is there pre-measuring for actions? (which ones?)

Pre-measure anytime and anywhere.

What AP are: Chain Swords, Power Swords, Power Fists, Chain Fists, Thunder Hammers?

I do not know.

Cover Save for: Buildings, Ruins, Area Terrain (trees and whatnot)?

Cover saves seem less forgiving. I would expect less, I know being in woods or trees is now 5+. Also, if you have (Example) 4 guys that are not in terrain. I, being the shooting player, can target just those guys that are not in cover. I have no opportunity to kill the guys in cover although. Interesting.

What is the assault / charge distance?

2D6

Do vehicles have hull points?

Yes

How are psychic powers determined?

Leadership tests, everyone can attempt to nullify a psychic power.

What is the turn sequence?

Normal?

How do rapid fire weapons work?

Rapid Fire appears to have not changed, that I saw…I don’t know.

Is ‘overwatch’ (like Necromunda) in the rules – how does it work?

Snap Shot is the rule. Any unit being charged can make a snap shot at BS 1. They use the full profile of the weapon. You can also use snapshot offensively, that meaning my tactical squad even if I move, I can shoot my Lascannon at BS 1. No template weapons, tanks benefit from this rule.

Is there a defensive fire mechanic (snapfire) for units being assaulted in the rules – how does it work?

See above.

Can vehicles contest objectives?

I am not sure

Where does the red fern grow?

Somewhere in the Ozarks.

Will you declare and move types (like assault and/or run) in the move phase ala fantasy?

No

how will fleet usr work, especially if run is removed

Run is not removed. Fleet means you can re-roll you run or re-roll one of the D6 to charge.

Are flyers hit on 6’s with shooting weapons and if true are there ways to mitigate that.

Flyers are hit on 6’s if they perform a Zoom maneuver.

Details on how allies will work? Will it be on a codex by codex basis (eg CSM codex is rumored to allow IG and Chaos Demons via allies), with very specific unit allowances, more generic FOC based like the old demonhunter and witchhunter rules or fairly open ended anything goes.

There are three categories of allies. Lots of potential, I am not sure of the chart off the top of my head. CSM do get traitor guard, I also believe Demons. Tau have SM and Eldar. Lots of other arrangements. Tyranids get no one….but lots of Monstrous creature special rules added for their pleasure. Stomp, Impact Hits etc.

Details on how challeges will work? IC only? sgts and other models also involved? What about MCs and the like.

I dont know.

The AP of some other ccw’s (rending, monstrous creatures, basic attacks, boneswords, two handed ccws,)

I dont know.

How will poison work in the new rules. Still rerolls if S equal or greater then T? Will the to wound number be adjusted at all (rumor that if you normally wound on 2+ then you use that number)

I dont know

Psychic defense and abilities for armies without psychers? Rumor that all units get a 6+ save against psychic powers. Another rumor that their might be ways for Tau etc to get psychers.

I believe everyone will have access to some sort of psyker. 6+ is true for everyone.

Example of new psychic power, maybe a default one and a super powerful one (assuming its like fantasy) and who would be able to take it in current codexes.

I dont know.

Whats the effect on embarked units when transport is damaged, wrecked, penned etc. Can they more easily go about their business like 5ed, or entagled like 4ed, or something in between.

Similar, not sure. Much harder to blow up vehicles. Vehicle Damage chart has change as well as Deep Strike Mishap has changed.

Affect of being open topped (good and bad)

Not sure, I believe it is the similar

Monstrous creature rules revamped at all? Like how do they get cover saves, are they more/less surviable, do they retain 2d6 pen, Ap of their cc attacks

Not sure, see above in allies for some info.

Rumor of changes to wound and to hit charts to be more like fantasy. True?

I am not sure

How will reserves work in the standard missions? Still always an option? Updates to determining when units arrive? Outflanking updated or same?

Normally it seems

Can you assault after deepstrike?

No

Changes to how units fire out of a vehicle (like say if it moves can only one model fire, is their range reduced, do they gain relentless)

None that I noticed

Does relentless add shots to weapon if statioanry and if so is it just rapid fire weapons or is it also assault

I do not know

Pistols work different now? Do they just add attack like a ccw or can they actually fire in cc.

I do not know this.

Assault weapons work different now? Can you still shoot and assault or ill they get some sort of ability to fire or affect on the charge?

I believe this is the same.

up to four HQ with allies.

Tyranids can’t ally, but apparently they get lots of Monstrous creature special rules added for their pleasure. Stomp, Impact Hits etc.

Any unit being charged can make a snap shot at BS 1. They use the full profile of the weapon. You can also use snapshot offensively, that meaning my tactical squad even if I move, I can shoot my Lascannon at BS 1. No template weapons, tanks benefit from this rule.

Run is not removed. Fleet means you can re-roll you run or re-roll one of the D6 to charge.

No assault after deepstrike.

Flyers are hit on 6’s if they perform a Zoom maneuver.

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20 Responses to “40K 6th Ed: More Rumor Updates! (More Incoming)”

  1. Defeatmyarmy June 19, 2012 6:17 pm
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    This is starting to actually sound interesting, I will probably be playing a lot of casual games at the store. SM Eldar and Tau can ally?! Thats brutal….I’m hoping that Necrons can ally with BA because in the fluff they allied against Tyranids IIRC

    • Reecius
      Reecius June 20, 2012 9:50 am
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      I am feeling slightly better about the rules. Still need to play them, but perhaps it won’t be as terribad as we feared.

  2. Kralizak June 19, 2012 6:26 pm
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    the MC rules just brightened my week, after hearing about snapshot, allies, premeasuring, and random charge. too bad charge is so random though, imagine not being able to reach an opponent 3″ away 🙁

    this has definitely changed the tone about 6th, but i’m still being wary

    • Reecius
      Reecius June 20, 2012 9:50 am
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      Yeah, trample and impact hits? Awesome! My nids won’t be so hard to play, plus Daemons get a big boost, too.

  3. SaltyJohn
    Overwatch June 19, 2012 6:40 pm
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    With the exception of allies, which I have heard are only an option in certain games, or at least can be stopped by the TO, I a, excited about all the new rules rumors. Can’t wait!

    • Reecius
      Reecius June 20, 2012 9:51 am
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      I am just ready to actually see them, and stop this speculation!

  4. Son Of Dorn June 19, 2012 9:59 pm
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    Nice. The 2nd half is from MY flgs! Manager was laughin when he read it. Glad to see more details cropping up, though. 🙂

    • Reecius
      Reecius June 20, 2012 9:51 am
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      No kidding? Hahaha, that is cool!

      • Son Of Dorn June 21, 2012 12:00 am
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        Yeah. Wooooo! My FLGS is famous on the internets!

        • Reecius
          Reecius June 21, 2012 11:01 am
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          Bring on the groupies!….oh wait, we don’t have any groupies in this hobby, doh!

  5. Carl June 19, 2012 11:05 pm
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    Hell yes- omg its going to be an expensive summer!

    • Reecius
      Reecius June 20, 2012 9:51 am
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      It most likely will, indeed!

  6. edwin June 20, 2012 2:44 am
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    LoL. Lootas are the shit now XD they only take a mild drop in accuracy compared to everyone else

    • Reecius
      Reecius June 20, 2012 9:52 am
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      Lootas always rocked! Now they are comparatively even better! haha, go Orks!

      • mercutioh June 20, 2012 10:31 am
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        No template weapons on snap fire tho….So I can Squeeze off a Lascannon but can’t pull the trigger on a flamer?

        • Reecius
          Reecius June 20, 2012 10:57 am
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          Haha, right? I am sure it is because template weapons don’t roll to hit and get around the penalty of being BS1.

          • mercutioh June 20, 2012 11:07 am
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            I’m sure you’re right, I just am a little hurt over the impending power jump that Burna boyz were going to get being snatched away. Also Flamers of Tzeentch, I should have known it wouldn’t happen it doesn’t benefit the empire! I wonder if they can be fired off but no auto hit? I.E. single shot flamers? it would be unbalancing to take away the ability altogether.

          • Reecius
            Reecius June 20, 2012 1:07 pm
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            Yeah, I agree they should get something. I really liked the ability to use flamers in HtH that we saw in the leaked PdF.

  7. Me June 21, 2012 3:06 am
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    Hey, speaking about the leaked Pdf I was wondering if you knew anything about a change in the Ws table. I for one really like the change. I just keep getting annoyed Ok I can be 1point above their Ws and hit on a 3+ OR I can be 9point above and hit on a, (let’s see now *Takes rule book out*) a 3+.

    I especially remember the old nid book (Take adrenal glands? for one extra Ws) hmm…. right.

    • Reecius
      Reecius June 21, 2012 11:03 am
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      I liked the changed WS chart, too. Hitting on 2’s and even 6’s makes sense, I liked it. I do not know if it made it in the actual rules or not, though.